I didn't understand that post.

War on dugs and judges and doctors are giving up? The "war" is alive and well mate--you can't obtain good opioids anywhere; docs are scared shitless to prescribe OxyContin anymore.

War on dugs and judges and doctors are giving up? The "war" is alive and well mate--you can't obtain good opioids anywhere; docs are scared shitless to prescribe OxyContin anymore.[/quote]

So I see you are happy on winning, war on drugs...good for you...just stating what I saw on showtime.... people are changing their views.

The war on drugs isn't over by a long shot... But he is right in a way. There is a lot of judges etc that have grown disillusioned with the big phoney baloney war on drugs. But like he says it's big business, and hundreds of thousands of jobs are tied into it and the prison system.(not just prison guards, but also the slave labor such as 'Unicor' who operate outside the control of OSHA safety standards)That is why the drug war will never see an end in this country.

I'm so glad you mentioned that, dawn. I got s script for it w/o a problem. If the condition calls for it and the previous treatments are no longer effective, doctors will and do prescribe it. In my state, doctors can get sued for UNDERTREATMENT of pain. In nursing school we were taught to ask the patient all the time if they were comfortable. When I was in the hospital last year the nurses asked me every time they came in if I were in pain.

This business about doctors being scared to prescribe opioids is not the truth in entirety. Maybe for some, but the majority have no problem. Certainly not the doctors I've worked with or had as a patient. It's time to quit sounding like a broken record. The DEA is NOT after CP patients--far from it. Especially since research is showing how bad pain is for stress, high blood pressure, etc.

they are scared in some places; in Ohio you can come to the ER carrying your arm and you'll be lucky to get more than tylenol.
after waking up from surgery a couple years ago, my prescription was for children's cough syrup w/codeine! Needless to say I was in misery for a couple weeks. I am still angry about that one.
Living in Florida and Nevada on the other hand was a completely different story. In Vegas, when I told the doctor I wasn't in pain anymore, he wrote a scrip for extra strength percs to hang on to 'just in case'. And that's the way it should be. Risk of someone abusing it? Whatever. Let them. What you take should be your own business.
Keeping stuff from people who need it because someone who doesn't need it might get hold of it is bullshit.

Yeah, it was no good receiving a card in the mail, so I had to go to the post office and sign for it this time.

As far as the seizure notice-paper your bathroom wall with it.
Ignore it and it will go away.

Don't freak out-many of us old timers-before ROP--have received them.

Contact the sender ,,offer to photocopy the notice,,and usually they will reship--but to a different address.
Hope this helps,
J.

I totally agree about Docs being afraid to prescribe meds anymore. 15 years ago, they were much more inclined to give meds to those that needed them, now the new thing is, "Just DEAL with it" My dad had open heart surgery, he was given 60 percs. he needed more, they told him to take tylenol. The man had his chest cracked open for Gods sake! as for LL. I wouldn't worry too much, just send next one to different address, as someone has already stated. We all get a little freaked out when getting one, you have to admit that, as a matter of fact, i will probably be geting onw soon..lol

Do you really think a different address makes a difference? I could see if it was in someone else's name (I wouldn't feel right receiving meds using someone else's address though), but any P.O.box etc is on data base as your own; you have to show an I.D. to get one.

Hey

You would be surprised at what you can receive at a POB.

Are you aware the USPS is the ONLY shipper that cannot-under Federal law-intervene,open or confiscate,your mail?

Check out UPS/Fedex etc...you'd be surprised what you find.

Only POB's and your personal address are protected IN YOUR NAME. For everyone else-it's their call.
Hope this helps,
J.

wow, that is pretty interesting; I'm interested in reading more about that one.
But the point I was getting at was that changing addresses to throw people off seems like it would be pointless, because they know the address is yours no matter how many or how often you change; it's all stored in the same data base.

Your tagline says it all.

Try it -or don't- attempting to help from someone who's been there done that.

US Customs vs. USPostal Service. Check article 21.
Hmmm long ago...

Many things surprise us with th US Gov. Right? One hand doesn't know what the other is doing.
J.
Post Scriptus:Database's change as often as addresses do.
I'm out.
J.

I don't expect law enforcement to come and tell me that importing adrafinil is illegal, so please do not preach to me about illegal imports. The only time I heard from customs is for acomplia which is not even scheduled yet.

I do think if people order benzos or adderal and that kind of stuff online, it is illegal yes, very much so, but it is probably a matter of drug addiction, and that is why people do it. drug addiction I imagine would be very scary, just as any addiction is. Like I would find it immensely difficult to give up my beloved mac computer, it is like an addiction to me, and in this way, I can understand how people who take meds feel like, especially when they have to order overseas.

I still maintain though for a prosecution to occur, at least where I live and where human rights prevail, it difficult. To prosecute, you need proof, intent, and lots and lots of paperwork through the courts before a jail sentence is pronounced. Believe me, I know, my sister is married to an RCMP. The police is looking for gains made through illegal drug sales, not the poor little drug addict ordering through the mail who needs help to stop, not jail time.

I've had 2 both over 6 months ago , no action taken at all .

I'm new to IOP orders and just had my first order detained from TopRx. Got my reship just fine.

My question is if they send LL's on EVERY seized order? If so, appromimately how long does it take to receive?

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

Anywhere between a week to a year. There have been cases of several years for LL's.

A year? WOW!

Here I've been looking for it in the mail each day. I guess it will just come one day.

About a month ago I received one of these dreaded LL's. Have never received one throughout the 2 or so years I've been ordering. The funny thing is...I wasn't missing an order. I only order what I need and have never not received an order. Don't order very frequently so I would surely know if one didn't arrive. It stated 90 diazepam was seized and the strange thing is that is what I order. I am 100% positive that I've received every order I've placed.
Has this ever happened to anyone else?
It did give me a number to call to speak with someone but I didn't dare phone them.
Very strange..

If you have received your order, don't complain!

On the serious side, it is not a big deal. If you received what you ordered, then you are about 25% ahead of everyone else!

Trust me, if there was ANY problem, you would not have received, & you would not be viewing this reply!

With all the LL's being reported lately they could not have hacked this site for our user info and put our names on watch list for inbound packages. Or is it all the exra homeland security hired for customs, they have put on a ton of people. I know that sounds super paranoid but the nsa have very sophisticated programs and since the patriot act they have hired tons of people for their it dept. Even hackers turned over to the bad side to avoid jail time. Hopefully they are concentrating on the bad guys who want to hurt our country.

Trust me they haven't hacked in here and put us on a list. I and many have received on a consistent basis. Paranoia my friend has set in.

Yea, sorry. My mind just started wandering off in a bad way after reading all those posts. I'm in a bad place because I'm 0 for 2 on orders and those posts just set me off.

Hard to say. Quantity is king. Oder#90 or less then
just a simple seizure.#500 could result in a CD.

Stubby, i have recieved LL's four months after seizure.. i knew for sure the orders (2) were sent in October, but did not receive the ll's until January... and the date of the seizure on the letters were actually the exact same day in January. and i had not had Anything shipped in January, nor any shipped after the October shipments that did not arrive.

hth

what are you saying? are you saying that UPS and FedEx can open your mail but USPS cannot?

I do not believe that to be entirely true...

a U.S. Postal inspector CAN open suspecious mail and packages. They use this to get warrants all the time.

Laws changed the last few years. Every since the anthrax was used in plain mail envelopes, the postal inspector (federal mail police) can rip open anything that he might have a problem with. Fed-x and UPS can do it becauase you sign away your right to privacy by using their paid service, just as entering a courthouse gives them the right to search you for weapons.
Privately owned companies do this for their own protection and the gov has had to start doing it because there are too many sick twisted people here in this nation that would send a letter full of anthrax or some other toxin to a grade school just to see how many kids got sick from the dispersal. dont blame your gov for these Rules, blame the twisted POS that enjoys killing kids and other unsuspecting innocents.

and the media loves to talk about the collateral damage in afganistan....what about the damage here from out home grown terrorist? besides taking many lives, they are the ones that are taking your liberties and privileges as a citizen.
Tim McVey should have been burned at the stake for what he did in Ok city.

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Wow the time this must take to uncover 30 valium
then 50 Soma. Time well spent. Try explaining that
to the budget Manager..

I just recieved a seizure notice from customs, its for a money order. Should I stop payment on the money order?

Yes Fedex and UPS can open any package they want its part of the terms and conditions you agree to when sending.

USPS can inspect all incoming international mail without a warrant this started in 2002.

All domestic mail requires a warrant to open. The only exception is media mail it can be opened to confirm that it qualifies as media mail.

And how big was the Money Order for? It got seized or your package was seized?

If they shipped you a package and it was seized why would you stop payment they lived up to there end of the bargain. When you order meds online from another country you know what the risks are why should the sender always get the shaft they shipped your govt seized you are the importer and knew the risk's.. JMO.