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#626425 - 01/07/08 05:49 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question * [Re: temple]
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 Originally Posted By: temple
So Crack is Sch II, and Cannabis, which is not even really addictive and has no real physical w/d symptoms (besides wishing you had it lol) is Sch I. The priorities of the DEA are really, really messed up.


No, crack is not a schedule 2. Cocaine, in its powder form is. Crack is altered to be smoked, abused. Crack is a illegal narcotic which serves no medical purpose.

Cocaine is used commonly in surgery for its vasoconstrictive properties (i.e. to stop bleeding) in low doses in specially prepared solutions (i.e. diluted in a fluid preparation). I've heard cocaine is even used in extreme cases of epistasis (nose bleeds) in ERs. So, yes it does serve a medical purpose.

THC, in some cases, is sch. 3, such in the case of Marinol, a medication made for nausea. A new medication, called Sativex (I believe that's the name) will hit the market soon. It's made of THC for cancer patients and pain management. Its active ingredient is THC, the active ingredient in marijuana. Not sure of its schedule. I think we will see THC used more and more in research and in medications, as it has medicinal use. Some people (a handful) even receive government grown and rolled joints. I saw it in a documentary called, "In Pot We Trust." What a good film.

Any medication or drug that is altered and used in a way that is not intended is illegal.
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#626428 - 01/07/08 05:58 PM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: jonjoe]
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 Originally Posted By: jonjoe
Can someone please explain what the difference and some examples of Class/Schedule??? 1, 2, and 3 drugs? What is Hydro? Class/Schedule II???


Here is a link to the DEA's website, regarding drugs and their Schedule:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html
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#626438 - 01/07/08 06:07 PM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: dws1]
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 Originally Posted By: dws1
I think that it is yourfriendlydoc.com from reading other posts also I think madisonpainclinic compounds meds.


I am not certain about YFD, but MPC is no longer in business, but they did have the compounds when they were operating.
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#626491 - 01/07/08 07:36 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: DonVito]
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Well in my area of the country (the SouthEast), they haven't exactly caught on to the fact that Cannabis has medicinal properties yet. Wish I lived on the west coast.
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#626586 - 01/07/08 09:20 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: DonVito]
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 Originally Posted By: DonVito
 Originally Posted By: temple
So Crack is Sch II, and Cannabis, which is not even really addictive and has no real physical w/d symptoms (besides wishing you had it lol) is Sch I. The priorities of the DEA are really, really messed up.


No, crack is not a schedule 2. Cocaine, in its powder form is. Crack is altered to be smoked, abused. Crack is a illegal narcotic which serves no medical purpose.

Cocaine is used commonly in surgery for its vasoconstrictive properties (i.e. to stop bleeding) in low doses in specially prepared solutions (i.e. diluted in a fluid preparation). I've heard cocaine is even used in extreme cases of epistasis (nose bleeds) in ERs. So, yes it does serve a medical purpose.

THC, in some cases, is sch. 3, such in the case of Marinol, a medication made for nausea. A new medication, called Sativex (I believe that's the name) will hit the market soon. It's made of THC for cancer patients and pain management. Its active ingredient is THC, the active ingredient in marijuana. Not sure of its schedule. I think we will see THC used more and more in research and in medications, as it has medicinal use. Some people (a handful) even receive government grown and rolled joints. I saw it in a documentary called, "In Pot We Trust." What a good film.

Any medication or drug that is altered and used in a way that is not intended is illegal.


From the DEA own website "crack cocaine" is schedule II. However, we have special "crack laws" (separate from it's scheduling) which I think are being changed/overturned because the laws are essentially racist.


Edited by Cooly (01/07/08 09:21 PM)

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#626594 - 01/07/08 09:29 PM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: mentoramy05]
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ty amy for posting that link cause I had soemoen disagreeing with me that coke was in fact a sch 2
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#626607 - 01/07/08 09:38 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: Cooly]
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 Originally Posted By: Cooly

From the DEA own website "crack cocaine" is schedule II. However, we have special "crack laws" (separate from it's scheduling) which I think are being changed/overturned because the laws are essentially racist.


Well you get the point I was trying to make, right?

As far as the Crack Laws being Racist, the very reason that certain drugs were made illegal in the first place was totally racist. It was said that when black men took cocaine it caused them to rape white women.

If that isn't the craziest thing I have ever heard! But that was the reason that drugs were made illegal back in 1912.

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#626610 - 01/07/08 09:40 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: shanesinpain]
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Yeah I got your point.

Also, I think Nixon is the one who really went after marijuana because that was one way to throw "the hippies" who were very against him in jail.


Edited by Cooly (01/07/08 09:40 PM)
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#626730 - 01/08/08 07:03 AM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: Cooly]
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The whole reason why cannabis is illegal is because in the 1930s, Harry Anslinger perpetuated the myth that it caused the minorities to rape white women, go crazy, and become maniacal killers.

so the crack/racism correlation could be relatively true
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#626733 - 01/08/08 07:05 AM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: DonVito]
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 Originally Posted By: DonVito
[quote=temple] Some people (a handful) even receive government grown and rolled joints. I saw it in a documentary called, "In Pot We Trust." What a good film.

Any medication or drug that is altered and used in a way that is not intended is illegal.


That documentary was awesome; the way they made those DEA fools appear as such fools was great and I was amazed at some of the stories...and the lucky guy who gets a tin of 300 joints from the gov't (prolly [censored] weed but..) wow....but that's another matter.
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#626961 - 01/08/08 12:56 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: cannigrow]
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I beleive the reason that it has been illegal is because a huge newspaper guy in the 1930's didnt want cannibus to be used as paper to print his newspapers. This is because he could command a much higher price for his timber he owned, rather than have people grow it for paper cheaper.I'll get back with his name cause I can't remember it at the moment.

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#626962 - 01/08/08 01:01 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: volfan1983]
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Randolf Hearst...He was rich and had control of a large media empire. He along with Ansliger were against MJ for moral reasons. This may be true for Ansliger but I really dont think Hearst was that concerned about the drug itself, rather the loss of profit.

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#626980 - 01/08/08 01:33 PM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: forsaken68]
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ty amy for posting that link cause I had soemoen disagreeing with me that coke was in fact a sch 2


not a problem forsaken. You are very welcome \:\)

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#627228 - 01/08/08 07:41 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: Cooly]
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 Originally Posted By: Cooly
 Originally Posted By: DonVito
 Originally Posted By: temple
So Crack is Sch II, and Cannabis, which is not even really addictive and has no real physical w/d symptoms (besides wishing you had it lol) is Sch I. The priorities of the DEA are really, really messed up.


No, crack is not a schedule 2. Cocaine, in its powder form is. Crack is altered to be smoked, abused. Crack is a illegal narcotic which serves no medical purpose.

Cocaine is used commonly in surgery for its vasoconstrictive properties (i.e. to stop bleeding) in low doses in specially prepared solutions (i.e. diluted in a fluid preparation). I've heard cocaine is even used in extreme cases of epistasis (nose bleeds) in ERs. So, yes it does serve a medical purpose.

THC, in some cases, is sch. 3, such in the case of Marinol, a medication made for nausea. A new medication, called Sativex (I believe that's the name) will hit the market soon. It's made of THC for cancer patients and pain management. Its active ingredient is THC, the active ingredient in marijuana. Not sure of its schedule. I think we will see THC used more and more in research and in medications, as it has medicinal use. Some people (a handful) even receive government grown and rolled joints. I saw it in a documentary called, "In Pot We Trust." What a good film.

Any medication or drug that is altered and used in a way that is not intended is illegal.


From the DEA own website "crack cocaine" is schedule II. However, we have special "crack laws" (separate from it's scheduling) which I think are being changed/overturned because the laws are essentially racist.


They list the synonyms for drugs (for all of the controlled substances), and crack is a synonym used for cocaine. Cocaine, in "crack" form is not addressed specifically as a CII med. Cocaine is. But WE know it is illegal to alter controlled substances. So crack, my friend, is illegal.



Edited by DonVito (01/08/08 07:43 PM)
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#627318 - 01/08/08 10:52 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: DonVito]
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DonVito:

Your sentence,

"They list the synonyms for drugs (for all of the controlled substances), and crack is a synonym used for cocaine. Cocaine, in "crack" form is not addressed specifically as a CII med. Cocaine is. But WE know it is illegal to alter controlled substances. So crack, my friend, is illegal."

is exactly why they are trying to repeal the "crack laws". Cocaine is cocaine is cocaine. There are a lot of people, scientists, politicians, which say there are no "legitimate" studies which say "crack" cocaine is anymore harmful or addictive than powdered cocaine. The crack laws just put a lot more African Americans in jail since this form is cheaper than powdered cocaine and plagues poorer neighborhood.


Frankly, another reason politicians want to repeal the "crack" laws is that they are so strict and unforgiving that it is putting too many people in jail for too long. This costs us [Americans/taxpayers] too much money and is a major cause of prison overcrowding.


Edited by Cooly (01/08/08 10:55 PM)
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#628561 - 01/10/08 07:01 PM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: castlecrazy]
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 Originally Posted By: castlecrazy
Let's get a couple of things straight here. This is an INTERNATIONAL forum, not only for USA residents, therefore you are going to get different meds in different categories according to the laws of your home country.
'Schedule II' meds are more or less the same the world over, except that certain analgesics are rated differently in the US than elsewhere. Also, there are some which are available ONLY in the USA, like hydrocodone and meperidine, both of which I would dearly love to be able to access but not a single American supplier will ship either to the UK or Ireland. Which is a great pity, because SWIM has used hydro for breakthrough pain thanks to friends in the US, and found it to be just the job, in a dosage of around 40-50mg, for the 4 hours or so where the OxyContin stops working (it lasts around 8 hours, NOT 12!). If anyone knows of a site which ships hydro at a decent price over the pond, PLEASE let us know - it would fill the 'gap' we have here in analgesia. Same goes for meperidine.
As for benzodiazepines, they are all Class 'C' here and in Schedule IV, except for two which have been recently 'upgraded' to Schedule III - temazepam and flunitrazepam (Restoril/Normison and Rohypnol/Rohydorm).
There are also some meds which in the USA are classed as Schedule I, meaning that a doctor can not even prescribe them, yet are used frequently and effectively in the UK. The better known ones would be Diconal (dipipanone) and Heroin Hydrochloride (diacetylmorphine). I don't think a British doctor could operate without the option of prescribing these meds. I mean, a Road Traffic accident frequently requires the fastest-acting and most powerful pain relief for those involved, and Heroin is certainly the drug of choice in those situations. How, then, can the US FDA say that there is 'no medical use' for these? And I have just been told that Rohypnol, far from being classed along with diazepam and lorazepam as it is here, is also non-prescribable in the USA. WHY? It is one of the most useful and effective benzodiazepine sleeping aids on the market, and has the added benefit of a longer half-life than most benzo hypnotics, which means I can do without a morning dose of Xanax! That is the silliest one I have heard of. Rohypnol is probably, along with Flormidal (midazolam), the most effective and useful sleeper available on prescription. Yet what Americans call 'Ambien', Stilnoct or Stilnox to everybody else, is marketed aggressively without any mention of the dreadful side-effects that drug (zolpidem) can produce, some of the worst of which are hallucinations, night panics, and next-day hangover which can include confusion and ataxia. You wouldn't want to drive to work the day after taking one of those! They also lose their effect after only about 4 or 5 nights' use. Zopiclone (Zimovane) would be a better choice, though the fast tolerance build-up remains, as with all of the 'Z' drugs.
On the whole, though, the scheduling of medicines is pretty much the same the world over, with the major exceptions being those I have outlined above. And please, if anybody knows of anywhere that will ship hydro or meperidine to the UK, please let us know! SWIM has tried three brands of hydrocodone; Watson, Vintage/Qualitest and Mallinckrodt, and far and away the best and most effective of these are the 10/325mg 'M367' Mallinckrodt pills. They are much higher quality than the others, which are yellow, not white. First-class analgesic, though pricey. Worth my finding a transatlantic supplier, though...


Just a couple of points: meperidine is used frequently in the UK as pethidine, and they have made flunitrazepam a CD now, along with temazepam. The other benzodiazepines in the UK are POM.

God only knows where to get pethidine online though! I wish I did; it's vital that I get it quick in case of a kidney stone, and casualty cannot be relied upon (except to give ibuprofen).

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#628622 - 01/10/08 08:31 PM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: jonjoe]
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 Originally Posted By: jonjoe
Can someone please explain what the difference and some examples of Class/Schedule??? 1, 2, and 3 drugs? What is Hydro? Class/Schedule II???


Yes, I don't understand about these "Schedule" drugs either...
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#628626 - 01/10/08 08:37 PM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: PinkDiva]
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 Originally Posted By: PinkDiva
 Originally Posted By: jonjoe
Can someone please explain what the difference and some examples of Class/Schedule??? 1, 2, and 3 drugs? What is Hydro? Class/Schedule II???


Yes, I don't understand about these "Schedule" drugs either...

Hydro is...in the US... a schedule 3.(III)

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#628669 - 01/10/08 09:37 PM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: PinkDiva]
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There will be a list of US schedules and examples of drugs under said schedules somewhere. I've posted the UK version before, but it's different and will confuse. A bit of Googling should come up with the answers.

Hydrocodone changes US Schedules depending on whether it's combined with a certain amount of non-narcotic medicine, I believe.

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#628686 - 01/10/08 10:13 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: volfan1983]
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 Originally Posted By: volfan1983
Randolf Hearst...He was rich and had control of a large media empire. He along with Ansliger were against MJ for moral reasons. This may be true for Ansliger but I really dont think Hearst was that concerned about the drug itself, rather the loss of profit.


Hearst was also good friends with either Dow or Dupont chemical. They had just invented nylon. Which did really well when rope made from hemp was taken off the market.

Part of the MJ issues also had to do with the dust bowl. Time to get Mexicans, that were alleged users of MJ, out of the country so American could be farmers in the SW and California.

There was also the worry of black jazz musicians with white women.

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#631287 - 01/15/08 09:47 AM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: jonjoe]
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 Originally Posted By: jonjoe
Can someone please explain what the difference and some examples of Class/Schedule??? 1, 2, and 3 drugs? What is Hydro? Class/Schedule II???


schedule I includes heroin(tm), marijuana, lsd, and other non-prescribablye drugs.

schedule II includes morphine, cocaine, oxycontin, more or less pure anything (including codeine)

schedule III is mixes of stuff like percodan, vicodin, t3's, etc...

schedule IV stuff I'm not real hip on... I think benzos are class IV now...

schedule V is stuff like paragoric... you can actually buy this stuff OTC in some states.

I don't do stimulants so I forget where they fit in.

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#631293 - 01/15/08 10:03 AM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: spacejew]
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You have to understand there are a myrad of circumstances that bring people here, and to order meds online. For many of us we don't have insurance,


Hi,

I know I've bought meds from IOPs since the late 80s after my mother found an article in the AARP magazine about saving money buying overseas.

For years the only stuff I bought from IOPs was stuff like blood pressure meds and cholesterols meds for her and non-schedule pain meds (Tramadol and Soma) for me since I could get them for less than the insurance co-pay from the UK (100 Soma for 30$ and 100 Tramadol for 30$ vs. 30 Soma for 15$ and 30 Tramadol for 15$).

now that I don't have insurance I buy virtually ALL my meds from IOPs (except hydrocodone, that's cheap through legal sources and expensive online).

even schedule II stuff... the only schedule II stuff I take is Testosterone but I buy it for 60$ a 10cc bottle online which is about half what the local drug store charges.

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#631300 - 01/15/08 10:10 AM Re: Let's put to rest the schedule 2 question [Re: dws1]
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 Originally Posted By: dws1
I agree cll medication, if needed should be easy enough to get from pain management or your regular doctor if you have a legitimate pain condition. I have had 2 lumbar spinal surgeries, and I have never had a problem in getting my cll medication from my regular doctor which I have had for the past 4-5 years. My doctor understands that i need the medication and he does not want me off of it because I need to be able to function, I can not when I am in severe pain. Now I have lowered my meds by at least 50%, I just did not want my tolerance to get to high, even though the doc is willing to prescribe more. I understand that in some areas it is hard to find a doctor that will treat pain proporly. For you guys with legitimate conditions hang in there and just keep looking for a pm doc that will treat even if you have to drive an hour one way! Please do not order cll's over the net it is illegal and not worth it!


who's going to pay for it?

not just the meds... methadone for example is dirt cheap.

I mean all these doctor visits at a couple hundred a whack just to finally find a compasionate doc who'll write a reasonable script for say... 2 vicodin a day plus some Soma?

month after month.

sure I don't do 2 vics EVERY day... some days I do none, some days I'll do 1 just to knock the pain back for sleep, some days I do 6 (1 every 4 hours).

thanks to the IOPs I can buy my own Soma, ibuprofen/codeine, and Tramadol that takes care of 29 days out of the month... and on that 1 BAD DAY I can toss on either some benzo just to sleep or 1 of my preciously horded vicodins from the doc.

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#631304 - 01/15/08 10:12 AM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: temple]
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Actually there are a number of medicinal indications for pharmaceutical cocaine. It was to 1908 what Oxycontin and Percocet are to 2008. However, it has developed such a stigma that it is rarely ever prescribed anymore outside of the hospital setting.

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#631308 - 01/15/08 10:15 AM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: TheMoodyBlue]
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Cocaine was used extensively for my mouth surgery I had. The surgery lasted a whopping 8 hours. Of course, this is much different than street cocaine. First, it was a liquid and not a powder or rock form.


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#631311 - 01/15/08 10:18 AM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: Sweetz]
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 Originally Posted By: Sweetz

As for Sch II, I've only heard about ppl getting them online.


there are schedule II things other than traditional "narcotics".

most injectable steroids (and btw, they're actually SAFER than the pills) are class II and they're done online from a number of sources.

but they're mainly shipping from countries where they're not restricted at all, they're OTC!! so they're not breaking the law where they are.

but...

they're all Western Union / Moneygram type pay places...

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#631312 - 01/15/08 10:19 AM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: TheMoodyBlue]
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"They list the synonyms for drugs (for all of the controlled substances), and crack is a synonym used for cocaine. Cocaine, in "crack" form is not addressed specifically as a CII med. Cocaine is. But WE know it is illegal to alter controlled substances. So crack, my friend, is illegal."


Actually Cooly, that is not exactly correct. The CSA really does not distinguish between variants of a scheduled substance as long as the basic pharmacology remains the same (the same precursors and salts, for example). Now, I seriously doubt that a physician would prescribe crack for a myriad number of extremely obvious reasons, but at least technically it would be the same as prescribing pharmaceutical cocaine (although certainly not in practice, and no physician in his/her right mind would prescribe it). The difference is in medical indication - there is no medical reason or treatment that would indicate the prescribing of the crack variant of cocaine and no FDA approved production of that type of cocaine either. With that said, it would not be right of the bat illegal if a pharmaceutical house applied for permission to produce such a compound for medical prescription (and that would be one entertaining substance production application to DEA)!

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#631315 - 01/15/08 10:22 AM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: OPPuNOme]
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 Originally Posted By: OPPuNOme
in the USA, being caught with C2 pills such as Oxycontin or adderal without a prescription is essentially the same as getting caught with cocaine.


both are schedule II

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#631316 - 01/15/08 10:25 AM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: akia1]
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 Originally Posted By: Sweetz

As for Sch II, I've only heard about ppl getting them online.


there are schedule II things other than traditional "narcotics".

most injectable steroids (and btw, they're actually SAFER than the pills) are class II and they're done online from a number of sources.

but they're mainly shipping from countries where they're not restricted at all, they're OTC!! so they're not breaking the law where they are.

but...

they're all Western Union / Moneygram type pay places...


Akia, another large class of non-narcotic C-II drugs are those used to treat hyperactivity and attention deficit disorders in children, which is one reason that they are controversial. In people WITH ADHD, ADD etc. those drugs do nothing more than focus the brain chemistry of the patient, but if one does NOT have those conditions and takes, for instance, Concerta it will be the same effect as a lot of methamphetamines.

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#633123 - 01/17/08 11:31 PM Re: Let's put to rest the question [Re: TheMoodyBlue]
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Make Cannabis legal!!!!

I would need so many less anxiety meds.
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