I am wondering just out curiosity if these are still obtainable. If memory serves aren't Mandrax like a stronger version of Soma, or more like being drunk with a numbing sensation in the fingertips? If anyone knows I'd like to know. Ruggie where are you??

foxglove...follow this link and you will find it very interesting.
http://www.drugaware.co.za/mandrax.html

Well...they are no longer manufactured. They are underground due the strong desire for them. I posted the info!!

There is a Swiss drug called Toquilone, but it is Schedule 1 in US and highly illegal.

One false fact in that article, Methaqualone is not physically addictive.

I have read that south africa has a form of quaaludes called mandrax. It's an ongoing problem, i guess like crack in the united states.

During the 1970's and most of the 1980's, the French
pharmaceutical manufacturer "Roussel" marketed the
immensely popular "Mandrax" tablets, often called "Limey
Ludes" on the street due to their distinct color. The
tablets contained mostly methaqualone with a small amt of
diphenhydramine blended into it. South Africa, Australia,
Canada, and United Kingdom were strongest markets for the
Roussel brand. Beginning with the USA in 1983, methaqualone
was withdrawn from the market, and in 1984, changed to a
Schedule I class by the DEA. Gradually, the med has been
withdrawn worldwide, with only 4 or 5 countries still marketing the drug by 1992. Spain was a hold out throughout
the 1990's with their "Pallidan" brand of legal methaqualone
The only country left that markets methaqualone legally is
Switzerland. No Mandrax or Quaaludes can be found with IOP's

When I went to TJ, we finally found a young man that could get us Mandrax sealed in plastic blister packs and labeled as Mandrax. They were about the size of a quarter, greenish in color and scored in 4 parts. Most amazing pharmacetical I ever took. It was a once-in-a-lifetime deal, never had them before or since that trip to TJ. I can see why they banned them. It was the only tranquilizer I've ever had that gave me euphoric feelings well beyond that of xanax or valium. It made me feel like life was PERFECT. The only thing I can compare it to is like a mixture of 10mgs of oxy, 4 mg's of xanax, and half a pill of MDMA in a single dose for $5.00

OMG, having flashbacks!!!!!!
Rorer 714. Those were wild, back in the day- now that I'm old and sick, I'd like them for pain!!!

Hi,

methaqualone IS physically addictive...

I'm old enough to have had bags of thousands of them "back in the day" and if you're eating more than half a dozen a day you've got a habit.

Mmmm I only had the pleasure of taking them a couple of times in the early 80's and then they were gone.Fantastic feeling.
A younger friend of mine who never had the pleasure tells me of a friend of her who claims she takes quaaludes once a week in liquid form. I doubt this can be true and if I'm discussing something I'm not supposed to be I apologize.
I told my friend to stay away from it because god only knows what this other girl is taking.

If anyone know Id like to know too. But I guess its pretty impossible.

call hugh heffner... word is he bought a few thousand before they became illegal. he has a huge personal stash that he breaks into with his 400 girlfriends.

It's funny there is a renewed search for these. I have 3 friends in the past month outside the CP community asking if I know where they can get them (all guys between the ages of 47 and 53). I never tried them and never wanted to...I never liked trippy things even when I was in my 20s partying like most in the 80's. They all want them for one reason - - sex. I guess that was the big attraction. Anyway these guys are in the club circuit party scene so if they were around they would have found them already. I will pass on the link you shared though.

I just did a google search for Toquilone out of curiosity and boredom and all sorts of sites popped up selling it along with MDMA, GHB, Methaqualone, TOQUILONE, NEMBUTAL, SECONAL and lots of illegal names I remember hearing about in my youth. Who knows if these sites have any validity to them? I highly doubt they do and I personally think one would be foolish to try considering what we know about these drugs but I guess they must be out there somewhere. I'm so not recommending any of this - I want to go on record! I never eveb tried them when they were legal. Just interesting how quick sites popped up.

yeah, its strange that this is still coming up. I guess they see or hear about them in movies or songs and get curious.
I did my share in the 70's. wow....those were good times.

714. Srgt Joe Fridays badge number.

That was an inside joke at the studios. I believe to this day that no dept has a badge number 714, for this very reason. the qualuude imprint number on one side. Besides, the way it sounded, 714...it just kinda sang as you said it. After you took one, you could sing too ! and still get laid..! that was a pretty powerful drug. It had great benefits for insomnia and scripts were passed out all day long for that purpose. but people soon found that if they tried to stay awake that a whole new world awaited them....

people ask me what they were like. like a lortab? or a demerol or morphine? like Xtc maybe?

none of the above, not even close.

Methaqualone had a very unique sensation that only this drug produced. taking a lude or two would give the effect of what an orgasm felt like...for about 3 or 4 hrs. When we had girlfriends,(when you had ludes you had GF's by the dozens) we would both (or all) take one and then the sex was unbelievably good. Thats where the term "all-niter" came from, adopted from work or studying.
And all inhibition was long lost. i mean ALL...lol
you could do anything, and not worry one bit about anything.

problem was being a hypnotic that you also did stupid things. like wreck cars, set the house on fire.. stuff like that. but if you were able to manage your ludes, and keep it to the weekends only, life was incredibly beautiful, as were ALL the women that you met...

A big part of that was our age too. I knew people that were over 50 that would do a quaa sometimes and they just were not able to enjoy it as much as younger folks did. they still got all the same sensation but just did'nt have the energy of a 20 yr old to jump up and enjoy it. you did have to be strong enough to battle the sleep that would creep over you if you got quiet or slowed down much. there were MANY face plants at the 3 am breakfast at Dennys back then...LOL
Have you EVER seen a Gorgeous Blond that was perfectly shaped and a nasty streak that made guys throw the ludes at her, pass out face down in the scrambled eggs and grits?
OMG ! besides having the entire dennys up and lauging, she somehoe blamed me for that....but it was worth it up to that point !:~)

I have heard the the medication was never taken off the market is some european countries and is still prescribed today. I sure would like to have one more....

good times, best be left behind.

Thanks now I want them even more.

They still produce it in tons in Kenya, mostly for domestic and export to South Africa, where, of coarse they are very popular with S.A. youths. It is also stil produced in Inda, but on a much smaller scale, and ony for domestic use.

mrb321,
Yes, Mandrax is still produced (underground) in Kenya, and parts of rural South Africa, as well as rural parts of India, (where methaqualone was originally discovered), as well as Communist China. Authority: Published drug busts reference on smugglers importing Mandrax into South Africa, where some of the ships that brought the Mandrax were traced to both India & Communist China. Outside of South Africa, where "bootleg Mandrax is sold by street dealers",
the remaining supply of legal methaqualone, is manufactured by Medichemie Pharmaceuticals, in Ettingen, Switzerland sold as a tightly controlled substance for Swiss citizens, or, the Medichemie plant in Limassol, Cyprus, where is it was manufactured for export only (to Switzerland). Not sure if it is still manufactured at the Medchemie plant in Cyprus or not. Medichemie's version of Methaqualone contains 250 mg. of Methaqualone and 25 mg. of diphenhydramine, just like the French mfgr "Roussel" of the former "legal" version of "Mandrax" in the late 60's thru the 1980's. In the USA, the somewhat rare "busts" of either Lemmon 714's or Rorer 714's have all been void of methaqualone, but in all cases had somewhat high contents of Diazepam in the tablets. It has been theorized that some of the drug dealers from the 1980's & 1990's, who are now released from prison, have recovered their "hidden stach" and tried to remarket the professional "lookalike" Quaaludes. The two main ingredients to make Methaqualone were banned in many industrialized countries around 1982,
as the US drug Enforcement Administration made aggressive efforts to block the Medellin Cartel from receiving the chemicals in Colombia, South America, who were producing millions & millions of high quality methaqualone during 1979 thru 1981. The high quality bootleg Quaaludes dried up "overnight" and from 1982 forward, a lot of bootleg Ludes, where adultrated with Diazepam, or just Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or the OTC mild sedative Doxylamine, "Unisom", and bootleg methaqualone also started drying up inside the USA, and for the most part vanished by 1985/1986 as the huge barrels of precursor chemicals were finally used up, and the DEA would seek you out if you tried to order the banned precursor chemicals. I agree there appears to be a lot of interest in the USA for a obessive search for Quaaludes again.....on E-Bay well preserved William H Rorer bottles (empty) bring from a low of $75.00 to a high of $600.00 for collectors the past 8 years, and the prices are going way up!!!Even "Quaalude Tshirts" are marketed now on E-bay in a variety of colors, as well as large "Rorer 714" paperweights selling for as high as $80.00 each. Indeed, these "love drugs" (sexual enhancers) of the 1970's have yet to be replaced with "better life thur chemistry" since it was banned in the USA in 1984, (twenty five years ago)!!! It had a unmistakable "feeling" that no other drug manufacturer has yet to reproduce or duplicate...IMHO.

NO! YOU DIDN'T!!!!

if someone was buying their own cloths in the 1970s...then, YES, THEY DID ! !

hey, just to be clear, i bought my own !!

yes, i remember some parking anomalies of roommates - car parked in the front yard in the morning, up against the bird bath.... and we liked the greasier places, like waffle house and ihop at 3 - 4 a.m.

ah, it was all in fun!!!!!!

parking anomalies.....lol

it was said that i did not wear out a set of tires thru the tread, but thru the sidewalls as I went "curb-climbing" on Saturday nites....

I once abandoned my car in the median with 3 flat tires one nite.... and it was STILL there the next morning when we back looking for it !

brings me way back 79' was the last time .summer as I recall.Too much fun with my girlfriends new trans am with the t-tops off and "my sharona" banging in the speakers..good times indeeed..never to be repeated ..bummer.

Thanks for the trip down "memory lane" Administator!

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http://www.ranbaxyusa.com/genericproducts.aspx The "reds" that formerly were made by Eli Lilly & Co. "Seconal 100 mg." and the "rainbows" that were formerly marketed by Eli Lilly & Co. (Secobarbital + Amobarbital) are now manufactured & distributed (mostly to hospital pharmacies and/or special order) in the USA by this pharmaceutical firm based out of India, but who have two pharmaceutical plants in New Jersey and Florida. They also bought the "patent name" from Eli Lilly so they can market the capsules as "brand name" "Seconal" and brand name "Tuinal". Abbott "yellow jackets" (Abbott Nembutal Capsules) have disappeared, but are still offered to hospitals by Ovation Pharma as "Nembutal Sodium Solution" for IV or IM use. Unlikely, to show up on any IOP list! The only country still producing either of the above were United Kingdom...and that was two or three years ago.....and Spain, who used the tradename "Somatarax" by Vedim Pharma, which had a unusual combination of drugs...Brallobarbital Calcium + Hydroxyzine Dihydrochloride + Secobarbital Sodium.

***This forum is to discuss suppliers. Please stay on topic***

Hey ludes, thanks for the info, I checked the Link, but couldn't find "order form", guess I'd have to buy a hospital. Tuinal aka gorillia biscuts

i wish i had a lude right now!

Me 3...Rorer or Lemmon, someone has to have a vacuum sealed pack in safe of ludes somewhere LOL.
Or a Placidyl...I have searched for years online hoping these survived the fate of my beloved 714's. Ludes Vet have any input on red abbots still manufactured anywhere?

Seen neither Placs or Quaaludes in over 25 years. I know of no way to preserve them, BTW.

this has been my number #1 search for ten years. So what I'm getting here is....there's no way to get them in the US?

as far as I know, they were banned and production ended almost worldwide about the same time. The governments of the world did not want that many people feeling that good at the same time...who would want to go to work? I sure did not !

just wanted some loud music and whatever GF of the monment. "beans" made it ALL good...

the epidemic of fun, must have been serious to have the gov of several nations ALL want to ban the mfg of the drug.

i once had the chemical formula printed out and swore that I would hang onto that and someday find a chemist that could whip up a batch....never happened. every once in a great while someone would get the formula right and some bootleg beans were on the streets. most were garbage but sometimes there would be some fakes that were as good or better than the real deal.

LOL now that is dedication. I remember most of the boots in the early 80's appearded to be mainly diazepam which didn't really seem too bad, just missing a little of the euphoria before sleep came on. The theory of the bathtub chemists makes sense with varying qualities at different times. The one time I got Mandrax it was factory wrapped in some kind of plastic blister pack and was quite effective, OMG that was sooo long ago.

There was a plce in Canada that sold 100% pure methaqualone powder (I may have spelled that wrong). They have since gone away for a very long time.

They also sold Oxy solution. Now that I used to hear about, but have never seen it sold again. was that a one time deal made in a lab, or does someone out there actually make OXY solution?

Dumbmyco,
Reference your question to me (last month) are there any
websites that offer "Abbott Reds" (Secobarbital)? I do not know of any IOP's...sorry. I believe you mean't the former Eli Lilly Pulvule "Reds" that Ranbaxy of India were manufacturing under license to make the "Seconal"....and,
have bought the label...and consequently farmed out the production to Marathon Pharmaceuticals of Deerfield, Illinois (Effective 1-30-09) The Seconal are still available in 100 count bottles of 100 mg. "pulvule capsules"
It would have to be a NROP or ROP to handle this...a most
daunting task for a C-II! Regarding hope of finding a IOP, United Kingdom receives their "Sodium Amytal" (Blue Angels) 60 mg & 200 mg, Seconal 50 mg & 100 mg. and Tuinal
(Rainbows) in 100 mg. from Flynn Pharma of Dublin Ireland.
The 200 mg. versions of Tuinal appear to be gone forever.
Regarding the search for a hidden supply of pure Methaqualone, the last "Lemmon 714's" containing methaqualone submitted to the DEA from drug busts were in 1985. With one exception, (June 1990), every "Lemmon 714" tablet confiscated within the USA since 1990, (twenty one
separate "busts") all contained pure diazepam (Valium) in the bootleg/counterfeit market ranging from 1991 to 2006.
If anyone has a factory sealed bottle of 100 count Rorer 714's, Lemmon 714's and the rarely produced 1980 to 11/15/83
Lemmon Mequin methaqualone (embossed LMN 300, white, scored)
the owners have been extremely discreet and no-one has reported seeing any for like 25 years now....they have likely been used up IMHO. If a IOP ever shows up with a Switzerland address for shipping & receiving, maybe someone will offer the Toquilone Capsules by MedChemie. The med is extremely tightly controlled over there, and M.D.'s are weary of scripting the drug to non-Swiss citizens or non Swiss residents. I have never seen a IOP offer the Spain version "Pallidan" by Berna when it was available until 2001, and I have been lurking around the internet since 1998. Update to my post of 2/17/09.

Thanks for getting back to me and tha Abbots I was referring to were placydil round 125s. oblong 500 and 750 with APAP I believe green gel tabs. While I was married 1900-2000 I didn't keep up with the ever changing scheduling and banning of certain meds. Just the prescribed benzos and since 2000 discretely placing orders on the web off and on checking the "new ops" for the possibility of getting the relief needed from certain meds I admitedly enjoyed as a teenager. At first we would see Lemmon and Rorer at the same time, many boots and many "true" ones. This was like 1978 and then about 1980 or so no Rorers only Lemmons mostly bootleg methaquaalone some were diazepam then it was pretty much all diazepam from 1982 on. I almost forgot my buddy got his hands on just a few A/S methaquaalones the original "sopors", I am sure you remember those and I used that as a reference back then along with mandrax which noone would try to remanufacture to determine bathtub ludes from those composed entirely of diazepam. Seems like we are of similar age and experience I am just bald and older now, still work as I have since I was 13 and still play/practice in a band on Saturday night. Truly, thanks for replying with the above info and I will drop a line if any of the above shows up on my quests in search of.....
Later.

"Now they call you Prince charming...can't speak a word when you're full of ludes"
Skynyrd

it was a "research chemical" supplier, if im not mistaken

WRONG...

you've just never had enough of them on hand.

"back in the day" (70s) I did have enough of them on hand (thousands) and managed to work up a moderate habit...

when that connection came to an end I counted up what I had on hand, and GF and myself weaned ourselves off of the 'ludes over a couple of weeks or so.

but you can definitely get a physical habit on methaqualone.

work up to half a dozen+ 714s a day (plus beer to wash them down ) for a while, quit, and THEN tell me they're not addictive.

yea but now it's a black market drug

you used to get mandrax in south africa just like mexico... in the clear "fizzies" packs.

No pharmaceutical company is manufacturing Mandrax anywhere in the world today. It was always an odd combo of methaqualone and an antihistamine.
I guess the South African stuff is somehow homemade.

It is a big underground street drug in SA. And believe it or not, the most common method of usage there is to smoke the stuff

Regarding Seconal (secobarbital sodium / Marathon) C-II, it is worth noting that neither Ranbaxy nor Marathon ever actually manufactured the drug. After Eli Lilly discontinued manufacturing the "pulvules," Ranbaxy had the rights to the trade name. But the manufacturing was always outsourced to another company (Ohm Pharmaceuticals of New Jersey). Given their current design, I think just plain "capsules" would be the best way to describe them. There have been intermittent shortages of the product over the last ten years. Eli Lilly and Ranbaxy both attributed the shortages to lack of raw materials available to manufacture the product, which I considered questionable, since barbituric acid was always available, and the drug is manufactured by simple chemical substitution along the pyridamine ring.

In mid-October 2008, Marathon obtained the rights to the trade name Seconal. There was a brief period between October 2008 and February 1, 2009, where the drug was not being manufactured. However, it could probably have been obtained at a Walgreens during this period, as they had extra stock of the product.

Marathon finally announced that Seconal was available again late in January 2009. The drug is still being manufactured by Ohm -- there's no change there. In fact, the imprint on the capsule hasn't even changed. I would have thought that Marathon would have at least instructed Ohm to change the imprint!

But there was one thing that was greatly changed -- the price! Seconal, made by Ohm, and marketed by Marathon costs roughly five (yes, 5!) times more than the very same Seconal manufactured by Ohm for Ranbaxy. So, if you don't have insurance, figure on paying $250 to $300 for a prescription for sixty. If you can still find a pharmacy that has a bottle that says Ranbaxy on it, you'll probably pay about $60 for the same quantity (sixty).

My sister drove her car into her apartment. Then she called the landlard the wall just gave way for no reason..Too bad that there was paint from her car on the wall..Those were the days my friends....

Patrice

I also know by experience how addicting they can be, the only place that I read they weren't addicting was in the 1969 PDR...That PDR also claims that doriden was a safe alternative to barbituates. At that time Talwin and darvon weren't even considered narcotics. And the drug combinations dexadrine with seconal, and other wacko stuff

Patrice

Ha! I remember ludes from the early 80's. They would help "calm" you down after a night of partying. Wow, I have not even heard that word "Quaaludes" in years. The memories are ikky!

no the only place u can get mandrax is South Afrcia and that is lude mixed with antihistimine last place u could get real ludes was switezerland and they banned them in 2006 they have a chemistry mix to make them so if your a chemist you can make your own


and reading the above post we could get 20 seconal for five bux and tuinal were a buk a piece---the times they are a changing and qualudes were 5 bux apiece---yah im old

No, methaqualone in any form is highly illegal in South Africa. Strictly a street drug there now.

LOL!!!! After reading these posts, I am missing my waterbed, lava lamp, Led Zep, Hendrix, Joplin posters. Peace.

No kidding! Sounds like we are all about the same age....OLD!

seen some internet peeps reading this thread, so i thought i share a story. (a few?) years ago, i was at an unnamed university where a few of us needed Rorer 714 strictly for medical purposes only. so, someone happened to provide them. a good medical intervention at the time...

if you were there, let me know...

good med imo, sorry they ended the program...

There were also ludes with the name 'Sopers". Lemon took over for Rorer, but the 714 never changed. Those were the days!

that fuzzy ooogley googley feeling is inexplicable.

Arnar Stone made the Sopors....they named them so, because they were soporific...(sleep inducing)

Street drugs... WTF?! Are you people serious? No where I know carried such type of meds. I'm speechless... Someone asking for luudes...

Ludes are available, very expensive, but how can you put a price on reliving your youth?

Cleo911 is correct about statement that the former Mandrax mfg by
Roussel of France in the 60's/80's, withdrew Mandrax many years ago worldwide! I have the offical news from my brand new Martindale Complete drug Reference 36th edition, (pharmaceutical press) London
UK, and Chicago, Ill (USA) published in 2009 on authority of the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain, 3,694 pages of ethical meds produced in forty (40) countries. The last country that sold legal Methaqualone in the world, was Switzerland, by
MedChemie Pharma called "Toquilone Compositum" and it was withdrawn
from the Swiss marketplace in late 2006 thru early 2007. It is now
"offically a true street drug" (like Cleo911 said) as is only found
in mostly South Africa, around port cites especially like Port Elizabeth, or Durban, and is manufactured clandestine labs in rural
South Africa, some neighboring South African countries, and occasionally India, according to South African Law Enforcement, who trace the sources. Bld213 you are technically correct calling it a "street drug" but historically, like "Somuated" stated, one of many legal methaqualone marketing names in the USA was Arnar Stone "Sopor" Parke-Davis "Parest" William H Rorer "Quaalude" Lemon Pharma "Quaalude" Lemmon Pharma "Mequin" and Strasenburgh
Labs ""Akalon T" and "Biphetamine T" and Smith, Miller, & Patch
with "Somnafac Capsules" (200 mg. methaqualone). In 1972, the number 6 most popular ethical pharmaceutical in the USA was William H Rorer's brand "Quaalude" 300 mg. embossed "714" Source:
Pharmacy Times top ethical 200 prescription drugs for 1972. Source:
Pharmaceutical Data Services Inc Scottsdale AZ. In the 1968 PDR
(Physicians Desk Reference) there were 2,600 drug products, and
all forementioned methaqualone drug products were in the 1968 text.
Thus, truth is, the only tranquilizer/sedative/hypnotic/ that "outsold" Methaqualone in 1972 was the No. 1 slot "Valium" mfg
by Roche Labs, Nutley, NJ. In summary, IMHO, I see merits in all three DBF members statements...by Cleo911, bld213, and Somavated"
Perhaps the "street drug stigma was magnified by the 1980+1981
years when the Pablo Escobar gang in Colombia, South America, produced millions & millions of 100% pure Methaqualone tablets for export to the USA, resulting in records seizures in 1981 of millions of "Lemmon 714's" by the DEA, and the DEA went to Europe
to the countries who were selling the necessary chemical precursors to produce Methaqualone, thus, the "flush street market" of pure Quaaludes, disappeared literally overnight, as the late Pablo Escobar Cocaine Cartel were completely cut off from their chemical suppliers. Summarizing the original topic, there is less than a 1% chance (now) that any IOP will ever market any type of Quaalude....unless someone risks selling "bootleg jungle made methaqualone with "who knows what adultrants may be in them) from some source either from India (where Methaqualone was originally discovered as a anti-malaria drug in the 1950's) or from some IOP source from South Africa, willing to market a Schedule I drug over the internet. I think that is highly unlikely, just like other C-I
USA meds (Rohypnol) (MMDA-Ectasy...legal in the 1980's...demonized by our DEA in 1988)..........................

Thanks for that history of Quaaludes.
One thing to point out though: Rohypnol has not been scheduled by the DEA as C-I unless you are aware of a very recent change in scheduling.
It continues to not be manufactured in the US and is not approved by the FDA for use here thus it is illegal.
Nevertheless, it continues to be listed on the DEA schedules as C-IV.
An odd disingenuity for sure.

Anti-malarial?

As in, how? I mean, I can imagine the benefits, but, what was the indication used for this use of Methaqualone??

Groucho_fan,
The indication for use of a sedative for patients who suffer from malaria, was a worldwide project, that began in the in the 1940's and continued in the 1950's, especially from Lederle Labs.
The discovery actually came from India, in 1951, by Syed Hussain Zaheer, and, Indra Kiahore Kacker, also by a chemist in India
whose name has been identified as Gujral after preparing a series
of compounds with various substituted groups, that USA Lederle
chemists were also working on in a desperate search for a drug to treat patients with malaria. The most potent derivative discovered by India's Gujral was labeled "Tolyl" of the 22 original compounds.
William H Rorer, developed the sedative, and got a patent on the tradename "Quaalude" in 1965 for the USA. Other pharmaceutical groups in U.K. in the mid-sixties also patented multiple marketing names to the chemical composition of methaqualone, making it the #1 selling sedative in U.K. by the late 1960's.
Sources: www.wikipedia.org (type in methaqualone) and, scroll down
for cititation footnote #5 (line 5) for Scheindlin,Stanley (2005)
"Anti-Malarials: Shortages & Searches" Molecular Interventions
5 (5) 268-272 click on doi:10.1124/mi.5.5.2
Another direct source:
http://molinterv.aspetjournals.org/content/5/5/268 then, scroll
down to "the serendipitous sleeping pill"
Wm H Rorer, in USA derived the name "Quaalude" from the first 2 letters of "Quiet" in the middle a double A (from their household OTC tradename "Maalox" and the last syllable from "Interlude".

MartinD,
Thank you for your comments regarding the DEA scheduling of Roche
Rohypnol (Flunitrazepam) as it is indeed a Schedule IV as you said.
I checked with www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/index.html
I think I got a bit scattered when I originally said C-I, as I have on rare occasions, noticed that historically, a few of our 50 states, sometimes will pass "state legislation" apparently to curb abuse, in a individual state. Some examples from my memory, were, in 1982 Florida rescheduled Methaqualone, followed by Oregon, before Lemmon Pharma withdrew their "Quaaludes" as we know they were banned by the DEA in 1984 on a Federal level. I remember in the late 1990's when I occasionally ordered "GHB" (Sodium Oxbate) from IOP's and there was a series of individual states, who scheduled GHB a/k/a "Alcover" mfg in Italy, I don't remember if it was a C-II or a C-I, then the DEA got involved, around 2000, then, it got twice"re-scheduled again" by the DEA to a C-III. (confusing) to me the DEA "C-I thru C-V" is clear to me,but, sometimes the individual states in the USA, pass their own laws, that are not as
well known, and generally are "rare" cases...I have heard rumors that "Soma" is a controlled substance in 1 or 2 states, but, is generally not CII-C-IV? For my purposes, I am most concerned with the DEA federal classification, or, the classification in my particular state, (if it is a C-II, or god forbid state wise a C-I) I sure don't want a LL in my mailbox!!! Thanks for the insight you provided!

If you are ever in Central California let me know I would love to have coffee with you. I thought I was knowledgeable,but you know a lot more. I think we lived similar lives....BTW, Rphypnol was really legal in the US?? I thought my husband was just making it up..I don't even know why people are so "I gotta have this" All it will do is put am insomniac like me asleep. Kinda remind me of Halcion..Fast reacting, short half life...Where can I buy that book you talk about?? I have a PDR. but the one you have seems like it has a lot more information......

Hottie

Hottie@50,
www.PharmPress.com (Note this is a expensive book, my former ex-wife (from 1994 thru 2007) infomed me on this book & the CD ROM version, where you can gather data from any PC worldwide, but more $$$$$$$$$$ that way!!!!! (pricier than the hardcover 2 volume book)
Registered Nurse/Case Mgr. allowed me to use her physician/RN library card where big urban universities in the USA maintain (hidden from the public) but sizable libraries "flush" with these kind of reference books, and hundreds of current editions of "Anals of Psychiatrity" "Pharmacology Update" "Harvard medical Letter" Journal of Psychiatry, Journal of Pharmnacology, etc, etc,
magazines that run US$200 to $300 per year,(that I had access to), until most USA major large urban metro hospitals, and large University centers with Med schools, have recently, "converted to "online by prescription" CRT Terminals, where one inserts their "employee card" and is provided a "password" by their full
time employer. Thus I have been cut off since around 2007, as this very huge Hospital is almost totally converted to all Computer Terminals now, and I can no longer obtain my ex-wife's library card. (Not open to the public) I have lost all communication with my ex-spouse.
www.PharmPress.com offers the 15 lb 2 part book with over 3,694 pages of data on 40 countires, with brand name, generic name, and all manufacturering sites, and telephone numbers, and fax numbers to these countries that span 5 continents. List price for 2009 is US $ $645.00 and it comes out every 24 months. "THERE IS A RARE PROMOTION GOING RIGHT NOW, WHEREAS YOU CAN ORDER THE MARTINDALE COMPLETE drug REFERENCE 36 EDT (2009) FOR ONLY $483.74 INCLUSES PRIORITY SHIPPING AND A 30 DAY GUARANTEE. WITH A SPECIAL WINTER PROMOTION CODE OF 25% OFF,+ fREE fREIGHT, i GOT MINE IN 5 DAYS cHRISTMAS WEEK!!! tHE isbn IS 978-0-85369 840 1 AND THE WINTER PROMOTION CODE IS PHPUS1109. I have used the pharmaceutical press in the past by either walking over to "library", and taking notes from the book, as it is not one of the books that one can "check out" of this private Hospital,
Another, cheaper way to buy this book it to www.ebay.com and in the search engine, you may find one or two book that were printed around 1999, to 2002, to 2004 mfg sale, at a big discount!!!
another two sources are www.abebooks.org and powellbooks.com (they on occasion might have one or two used books. I bought a 2002 Martindale during 2005 for around $190 to $200.00 tops, and it has been a big use to me along with my PDR's from 68 up to 2007.
Caution: IMHO, when either the USA PDR, or the U.K. Martindale Complete drug Reference approached ten years old, the info really starts to become antiquated as the books ages, and it not asreliable to make a accessment to one current need for a quick IOP, or ROP, or international travel visit to a foreign country, if the book is more than 8 yrs old, the drug may have been discontinued, between 2002, and 2009. I tried to procure methaqualone in April 2008, but I was too late, because the ehical pharmaceutical had already been withdrawn from the Swiss pharma shelves, and (then) I was relying of a Martindale that was printed in 2002. Finally, the book used to come out only every three years, and starting in 2007, it now comes out every 24 months.
Also orders_americas@pharmpress.com or 1-877-471-4747 in the USA & Canada. They have a divisional office in Chicago/Gurnee Illinois, and worldheadquarters in London, England. All prices US.
Ludes_Vet