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#791207 - 10/24/08 08:29 PM Tramadol/Ultram Help Please
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I know that some people feel that Tramadol/Ultram helps with depression. Is there an antidepressant med that is chemically similar to Tramadol or has the same antidepressant ingredient? Something with the same chemical structure?

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#791427 - 10/25/08 10:05 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: heli]
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That's a great question.....their some super smart guys out there....I hope they see this post
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#791901 - 10/26/08 01:52 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: dawn147]
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I know this sounds stupid, but why don't you just take Tramadol? Most anti-depressant drugs are ssri re-uptake inhibitors, and although tram isn't technically an anti-depressant, it's strange side effects include that.. Other than some sort of upper medicine like adderall or ritalin.. I wouldn't know either.. Hopefully, someone can help you out with this..

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#792000 - 10/26/08 09:37 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: darkmantis]
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I've never taken an anti-depressant but I do know that Tramadol is physically addictive and fast too! It starts off as longer acting than hydro but after the body is used to it that changes. I can't stand the feeling of withdrawals creeping up every 2-3 hours all day and night. Seems that would add to one's depression. Then there's also the consideration if the person has a low seizure threshhold or not. I truly believe this is a more dangerous drug than the medical world has given credit to.


Edited by Dennit (10/26/08 09:38 AM)

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#792005 - 10/26/08 09:43 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: heli]
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 Originally Posted By: heli
I know that some people feel that Tramadol/Ultram helps with depression. Is there an antidepressant med that is chemically similar to Tramadol or has the same antidepressant ingredient? Something with the same chemical structure?


Effexor (venlafaxine) is an SNRI with structural similarities to Tramadol.

Here is an interesting study on the subject:

http://medind.nic.in/ibi/t06/i3/ibit06i3p181.pdf

Venlafaxine has a relatively short half life compared to other SSRIs/SNRIs and, IME, withdrawing from it can be quite uncomfortable.


Edited by fantasticcat (10/26/08 09:44 AM)

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#792065 - 10/26/08 01:13 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: fantasticcat]
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I have been on Tramadol for a year now. I take 1 50 mg AM and 1 50mg PM. I have found the anti-depressant effects more beneficial than the pain relief. I am careful to stick to my set dosage so tolerance does not progress. I treat it much as my thyroid meds, take as directed!! Yes it is addicting and if you continue to increase your dose, tolerance and withdrawal will be an issue. So be careful. This is just my experience with Tram and not an endorsement.

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#792622 - 10/27/08 11:52 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: riff4848]
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Thnks for your honest reply......
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#793011 - 10/27/08 07:14 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: dawn147]
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You're right, Dawn! There are some super smart guys out there! Thanks for all of the information and everyone's reply!

My neurologist, although not an opiaphobe, was trying to explain to me why they sometimes use antidepressants as pain killers. This lead me to do some research and brought me to asking this question.

I don't have a depression disorder, however, I still notice a mood enhancing element when taking Tramadol. I have also noticed how quickly your body gets used to it!

Thanks again all!

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#793124 - 10/27/08 11:47 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: heli]
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That's so strange that some of you state that Tramadol wears off so quickly and/or you get used to the effects and build a tolerance so quickly. I have taken it for long periods and for short and I have never built a tolerance and had any withdrawls. When I was out of hydro and needed it a lot for pain, I would take up to 200mgs a day, but as a general dosage, I would take 50mgs in the am and 50 at night also. It does stay in your system for 72 hours, so you technically shouldn't feel withdrawls until then, but everyone's biology is different..

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#797853 - 11/04/08 01:30 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: riff4848]
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ive been using Tramadol for the antidepressant effect. i think it sucks as a pain reliever actually. i take 100mg a day. its worked better than anything else ive used, and ive tried many antidepressants, and mood stabilizers, about 20 all together. but still its far from perfect for me. i havent found it addictive. im looking for something else to help.

you might also research Kratom. its an herb and used as an antidepressant, among other things. i use it sometimes also. but my system is so odd i dont get the benefits most pple do that love it. thekratomforum.com will help you with infor on this herb, it has opiate like qualities. best wishes

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#797860 - 11/04/08 01:36 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: toddz]
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Is this med given by a doctor? For the depression? Or your pain?
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#798049 - 11/04/08 06:17 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: dawn147]
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ive given up on docs for my depression. but most wont prescribe it for depression, as it can be addictive. even paxil can be hell to get off oh for some pple, yet they still prescribe that. but really its that most never think outside the box. so i read and self prescibe, trying to find something to help. not suggesting anyone else do this, but its about all i can do now. if i go back to the va hosp, im sure ill get supplied with just the same stuff that didnt work before.

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#812298 - 12/08/08 01:09 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: darkmantis]
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 Originally Posted By: darkmantis
That's so strange that some of you state that tramadol wears off so quickly and/or you get used to the effects and build a tolerance so quickly. I have taken it for long periods and for short and I have never built a tolerance and had any withdrawls. When I was out of hydro and needed it a lot for pain, I would take up to 200mgs a day, but as a general dosage, I would take 50mgs in the am and 50 at night also. It does stay in your system for 72 hours, so you technically shouldn't feel withdrawls until then, but everyone's biology is different..


My experience with Tramadol has been similar to yours. It provided anxiety relief the first time I tried it. There is no pain relief or high (same is the case with Hydrocodone). It lessens my anxiety and gives me energy throughout the day. I have not had to increase doses, nor have I experienced withdrawals.

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#831030 - 01/17/09 04:02 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: stratlan]
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i take Tramadol to help with my depression and anxiety. it totally works for me and it really relieves the tension and pain in my muscles too. now i think about it, its totally the business.

for me though, addiction and tolerance build up really fast - like in about 3 or 4 days but if you stop for a couple of days the tolerance is more or less gone.

the solution, i think is to take it for a few days, have a couple of days break, take some more etc. i usually take about 600mg in a day but i have often used up to 1000mg with few problems. i know this is really bad and dangerous since apparently you can have a seizure, but really it doesnt seem to cause any problems for me.

its pretty expensive also, but there are places you can buy really cheap generic stuff, especially if you buy in bulk.

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#851388 - 02/28/09 12:19 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: lazyscience]
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This forum is not to discuss suppliers. This thread is to discuss Tramadol/Ultram and not the companies offering it.

Thanks for your support


Edited by Melody (03/03/09 07:19 AM)

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#851484 - 02/28/09 03:37 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: lazyscience]
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 Originally Posted By: lazyscience
i usually take about 600mg in a day but i have often used up to 1000mg with few problems. i know this is really bad and dangerous since apparently you can have a seizure, but really it doesnt seem to cause any problems for me.

its pretty expensive also, but there are places you can buy really cheap generic stuff, especially if you buy in bulk.


While 600mg is very risky, 1000mg is just asking for a seizure. Be careful. Tramadol works really well for some people but others find it useless. Try and keep it under 400 mg a day.


Edited by RastaMan (02/28/09 03:37 PM)
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#851540 - 02/28/09 05:59 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: Lexi2006]
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Why is it not a real opioid?

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#851603 - 02/28/09 11:24 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: nephro]
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well, off topic...but if doctors prescribed Tramadol for depression big pharma wouldnt make much money, and all ssri, snri, whatevers have discontinuation syndrome and i did read the article in elle magazine that db users suggested who started on 10 mg of paxil daily and got up to one hundred twenty mg, so tolerance does build up...so either way if you quit you are going to some have issues possible either from discontinuation sydrome or w/d depending on the dosage of Tramadol/opiate/stimulant you may use for your depression. its like they lose the patent on one drug, make an isomer or an extended release version, rerelease it and charge 5 times as much for the off patent version. and nephro the easy way to explain that is to wiki it.


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#851607 - 02/28/09 11:40 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: Piling74]
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cymbalta maybe similar since it is used for diabetic neuropathic pain, an snri like Tramadol and in the same class as effexor.

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#851672 - 03/01/09 07:10 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: Piling74]
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I have yet to find a respectable article which does not describe Tramadol as a real opioid, due to its (or its metabolite's) agonistic effect on the ĩ-opioid receptor (which is the definition of an opioid). True, it has other mechanisms as well, but this does not preclude it from being an opioid.

Codeine uses its metabolite for its analgesic action due to activation of the ĩ-opioid receptor, and we all know that codeine is an opioid.

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#851675 - 03/01/09 07:25 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: nephro]
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not sure about that, but has any one tried the med that it lists on wiki called Tapentadol? so its up in the air, do articles say its an opiod, or a synthetic non narcotic pain killer?

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#851748 - 03/01/09 12:17 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: Piling74]
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and the last line in legal status of wiki states specifically it is not related chemically to opiates...so explain that.

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#851752 - 03/01/09 12:25 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: Piling74]
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It's an opioid like medication....not an opiate. It works like an opioid....it binds to opioid receptors in the body to help reduce pain. It is, I believe is man made and not related at all to opiate drugs, but works like them....yeah, didn't make much sense to me either. I use them for migraines every so often and they do help take the edge off some, but definitely aren't like a shot of demerol in the butt...lol
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#851756 - 03/01/09 12:38 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: RedBeetle]
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Be careful of seizures in conjuction with ssri or tricyclic antidepressents. In other words if your going to use Tramadol make sure you dont mix it with anti d'ds. It does significantly lower the seizure threshold so be careful.
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#851843 - 03/01/09 05:10 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: Piling74]
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The reference used by the person who wrote the Wikipedia article on Tramadol is this:

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=US2006061873&WO=2007070779&DISPLAY=DESC

The differentiation between opiates and opioids is no longer in medical use; instead the word "opioids" (not 'opiods'!) is used, and any necessary differences are described by the words "natural" or "synthetic".

In a similar way to which dextropropoxyphene is described as "opioid-like", so is Tramadol, but formularies tend to lump them together as "narcotic analgesics" or "opioid analgesics", if they have agonistic action at the opioid receptors.

Methadone is chemically quite different from morphine, but it is treated as an opioid analgesic.

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#851855 - 03/01/09 05:41 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: nephro]
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Very interesting post nephro. Is this medication controlled in the USA?. I have heard about it's euphoric side effects and many people report that this drug has a very positive and uplifting effect on both mood and depression. It seems like a relitively cheap and obtainable medicine throughout Europe. Also I dont know if you have observed the website- http://biopsychiatry.com/

But it makes for a very good read.


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#851885 - 03/01/09 08:40 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: StuntGoat]
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It's not currently controlled in the US, but expect that to change in time.

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#851998 - 03/02/09 08:53 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: nephro]
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 Originally Posted By: nephro
It's not currently controlled in the US, but expect that to change in time.


Tramadol is not a controlled substance federally in the US but at least two states (Arkansas and Kentucky) have scheduled it C-IV. Much like Soma, it will likely continue to be under scrutiny because of its increasing abuse profile.
I also expect it to be scheduled federally along with Soma.

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#863482 - 03/22/09 09:15 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: martind]
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i use Tramadol for treatment resistent depression. but for me its no miracle drug. i still am not stable like id like to be, still have bad thoughts and am depressed. but im not a normal case, nothing has helped me. this has helped more than the other stuff and ive tried about every antidepressant/mood stabilizer out there.

i try not to take more than 200mg a day. generally its 100 or 150. i dont find more is better with this med either. i dont get that euphoric feeling, but when i have taken a short break from it of a day or 2 i feel more of a lift when i start it again mood wise. it helps my limited patience too. its also used for chronic fatigue, and i get nervous exhaustion which has similar symptoms. lately ive been using it with provigil hoping for some added energy. so thats by 2 cents about the med. theres really nothing i know of like it in the world of current antidepressants.

if you havent tried meds like stablon, reboxetine or amineptine, you might read up on those. they arent available in the usa, but are by way of overseas vendors.
ive tried all three, stablon helped me for a week then stopped, amineptine made my nerves so bad i had to stop taking it. good luck in finding something that helps i know how hard it is.

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#863664 - 03/22/09 06:11 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: toddz]
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Personally I think trams are a poor excuse for anything other than something else to get dependant on. They offer no pain relief at all and your body can become physically dependant on them quickly. Wd's from trams are reported to be as bad or worse than hydro and or oxy.
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#864251 - 03/23/09 11:19 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: kevin8462]
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I would advise you to ABSOLUTELY run as fast as possible away from using Tramadol for depression. It works great at first, as it did for my pain issues, and slowly but surely you need it more and more. You know the saying that if you want to boil a frog then you don't throw him in boiling water but instead you put him in cool water and slowly turn the temperature up? That's kind of how addiction in general but definitely my experience with Tramadol was.

I got off of it for about 5 months and then had a relapse and am in the process of getting off of it again. and it is ABSOLUTELY MISERABLE. I promise you that just the hint of some of these withdrawal symptoms (splitting headaches, tingly electric sensations in head, sweating, nasuea, diarehia, aching joints, depression/anxiety, and worst is the Restless Leg Syndrome that starts crawling up your legs (and arms and shoulders sometiems too) like little tickling spiders and if you stay completely still it just increases until it feels like your whole leg is throbbing, so you have to change position or stretch out your muscles which provides you with enough relief for another 30sec-1min of relief and then you just repeat that process for days on end. One time I went through 3 days of it with NO SLEEP WHATSOEVER and was getting suicidal so i caved in and got more.

Please take this warning! I just want to spare you the pain it has caused me. STAY AWAY, the long term consequences absolutely dwarf the short term benefits.

As an alternative, like someone said Effexor is an SNRI (serotonin and noeprinephrine) which is supposedly what Tramadol affects as well. So might be worth a shot.

any questions just let me know.

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#864255 - 03/23/09 11:54 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: MartyJones]
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not sure what to tell you all term...the last month or so i have used cymbalta, modifil, Tramadol, and valium all at therapeatic doses. unfortunely ran out of the tram about a week and half ago and no short term w/d except i bit of diarrhea, but the modifil does that so ive added a fiber therapy...but as far as a long term treatment...doesnt seem realizicice...give i one more month...no insurance now so not exactly like i can go to the shrink...more less mexico or the internet. but ive self good, not many suicidal tendancies, more social, weird to explain...havent felt this good in a long time to tell you the truth...and Tramadol is tougher to abuse because of seizure threat i read about all the time with big dumbies taking 3000 mg a day on erowid all the time. just my two sense worth marty...been through sub, codeine, ativan, ambien, sonata, poppy pod tea, and vicodin w/d...and i must say that Tramadol doesnt touch any of the w/d's experienced with these substances. and i must say the so called "discontinuation sydrome" from paxil, effexor, lexapro and all a few other ssri/snri all have similar symptoms as you mentioned...rambling here but one more point...has anyone seen that bs commercial for ambilify? one of the side effects may be death...awesome...

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#864686 - 03/24/09 08:01 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: Piling74]
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I'm definitely not trying to start any argument because I actually think we're both right. It's absolutely amazing how two human beings can intake the same substance and have such different reactions. Consider amphetamines as used for people on ADD: a "normal" person takes it and they bounce off the walls and an ADD'er takes it and calms down. With painkillers too, i had the "taste" for them almost immediately where as some people (to my absolute amazement) just "don't like the way it makes you feel". So i'm glad that YOU did not have the trouble but please believe me, I did. I also have been on Suboxone and it was tough too but I would do it twice before I'd try going off of Tramadol.

One big difference was that you were at a "therapeutic dose" which means you weren't abusing it. I WAS! I was not one of those erowid people either but i was getting close to that number simply over time because of the tolerance i built up and the symptoms if i tried to drop back. I won't go over all the gorey details but it was really awful and if you search these boards you'll find out that I'm not alone in what I went through. So count your lucky Stars my friend that you didn't have to add that one onto your list of challenges. It sounds like you've been through a lot, and i truly hope you continue to find relief and can find a good (cheap) dr who will work with you. There's not really a magic pill combo that is going to solve any emotional/psychological on its own. Please don't take this wrong, i'm not being preachy or 'teachy', but for others who can empathize with your situation and are also looking for help. Don't look for an easy way out or it won't last. Be willing to do the other work along with it.

God bless.

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#865083 - 03/25/09 03:23 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: MartyJones]
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I have taken a lot of pain relief drugs as well as stimulant type drugs but I have never experienced withdrawals as bad as Tramadol. After taking 300 mgs per day for a few weeks I stopped.
I honestly believed I was dying. It was unrentlenting misery
for well over a week. 24 hours a day of pure hell, getting 5% better each day.
I will never take Tramadol again.

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#865474 - 03/26/09 05:40 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: MartyJones]
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thanks for the input, the biggest problem with sub is it killed my endorphin highs(which i asked my shrink if sub would affect this and of course he said no)...so taking it for over a year at the 16 mg a day dose wasnt helping me...i like to exercise hard for the high and i wasnt getting high any more...it was great poppin 4 nurophen plus and jogging 5 miles...felt like a million bucks...unfortunely that turned into 6 and then 8 and so on and so on...so then i did cws with codamol so i wouldnt f up my liver and kidneys as bad...but with trammies i realize the risk of seizure and wont take more than 400 mg a day. i guess making my own little cocktail for depression isnt exactly the best thing to do...but cbt didnt work, ssris didnt work and i sure the heck am not not going on abilify. i dont think shrinks know everything and they are scared to try something off label for fear of dea and the perks they get from big pharma for pushing the newest antidepressant.

 Originally Posted By: MartyJones
I'm definitely not trying to start any argument because I actually think we're both right. It's absolutely amazing how two human beings can intake the same substance and have such different reactions. Consider amphetamines as used for people on ADD: a "normal" person takes it and they bounce off the walls and an ADD'er takes it and calms down. With painkillers too, i had the "taste" for them almost immediately where as some people (to my absolute amazement) just "don't like the way it makes you feel". So i'm glad that YOU did not have the trouble but please believe me, I did. I also have been on Suboxone and it was tough too but I would do it twice before I'd try going off of Tramadol.

One big difference was that you were at a "therapeutic dose" which means you weren't abusing it. I WAS! I was not one of those erowid people either but i was getting close to that number simply over time because of the tolerance i built up and the symptoms if i tried to drop back. I won't go over all the gorey details but it was really awful and if you search these boards you'll find out that I'm not alone in what I went through. So count your lucky Stars my friend that you didn't have to add that one onto your list of challenges. It sounds like you've been through a lot, and i truly hope you continue to find relief and can find a good (cheap) dr who will work with you. There's not really a magic pill combo that is going to solve any emotional/psychological on its own. Please don't take this wrong, i'm not being preachy or 'teachy', but for others who can empathize with your situation and are also looking for help. Don't look for an easy way out or it won't last. Be willing to do the other work along with it.

God bless.

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#866020 - 03/27/09 12:04 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: Piling74]
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Hi all
I don't normally post, but I had this thought that maybe the docs feel as though the Tramadol will lift your mood and you will just forget your pain.......
Annnnd that thought makes me feel soooo much better

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#871202 - 04/06/09 10:12 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: slg72]
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How long would you have to take Tramadol to get dependant? Would you get bad withdrawls taking it for like a week or so to take a break from hydro?

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#871299 - 04/07/09 08:23 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: green82]
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I have taken it for a couple of weeks at a time 4 Times a Day with No Dependence problem/WD's when I stopped suddenly.
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#871302 - 04/07/09 08:33 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: green82]
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 Originally Posted By: green82
How long would you have to take tramadol to get dependant? Would you get bad withdrawls taking it for like a week or so to take a break from hydro?


That depends on the person and the amount. I have taken it for a little over a week, a couple of tmes and have had no withdrawal problems, etc. I also know a co-worker whom takes it for weeks at a time and then stops and she doesn't have any problems.....so you should be okay.

Good luck and take care!
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#872601 - 04/09/09 06:31 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: kevin8462]
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 Originally Posted By: kevin8462
Personally I think trams are a poor excuse for anything other than something else to get dependant on. They offer no pain relief at all and your body can become physically dependant on them quickly. Wd's from trams are reported to be as bad or worse than hydro and or oxy.


everyone is different, and it depends on the dose a person is taking too. at 100mg a day im taking 1/4 of what they say is the max normal safe dose. pple have to use their heads and realize more is not always better, in regards to meds and effects. ive used this med for over a yr without any wd effects.

when you have treatment resistent depression like i have, youd prob try about anything if the chances of pos effects outweighed the risks. so far this is just the best ive found to keep me from giving up entirely. but still as ive said im not stable like i wish i was. but thats just me and my reactions to it. i certainly wouldnt say run, dont dare try this med if you have exhausted all of the regular choices the doc throws at you. and truly most of them could care less. i think most of us know that.

good luck to all of you.

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#887361 - 05/16/09 08:58 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: toddz]
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I also take Tramadol, as a substitute for hydro if I run out to ease the w/d's and it works very well for this. However my husbands Dr told him not to take it with the Effexor he takes. I take Buspar and the combination is fine apparently, and have been extremely pleased with the anti anxiety component of these two medications.

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#897259 - 06/16/09 07:04 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: L8night]
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Originally Posted By: L8night
I also take Tramadol, as a substitute for hydro if I run out to ease the w/d's and it works very well for this. However my husbands Dr told him not to take it with the Effexor he takes. I take Buspar and the combination is fine apparently, and have been extremely pleased with the anti anxiety component of these two medications.


buspar is serotonin receptor agonist and Tramadol is a serotonergic chemical as well. because of a bad experience with a clash between Tramadol and citalopram (celexa) i would consult a pharmacist or one of the drug/drug interaction online resources. the PDR has an excellent one.

i take Tramadol to the tune of 300mg max. daily. there have been times when i had to travel and forgot to pack 'em. i certainly missed them but had no discomfort other than unmitigated pain.

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#910541 - 07/23/09 12:51 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: heli]
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Originally Posted By: heli
I know that some people feel that Tramadol/Ultram helps with depression. Is there an antidepressant med that is chemically similar to Tramadol or has the same antidepressant ingredient? Something with the same chemical structure?


Hi,

don't know if this is any help.

but my wife gets... arroused when she takes Tramadol... I gave her a 200mg SR tab for like an ankle sprain and she got HORNY... with her it's reliable... I'd say that makes it an "antidepressant" at least for her.

there are sustained release SR tramadols available reasonably priced internationally.

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#915149 - 08/05/09 07:50 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: akia1]
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Actually it does increase my libido, too, and makes the whole experience more pleasureable, but I hate that I'm hooked on it and withdrawals are pure hell. I've taken as many as 30 in one day (I know, stupid, but since when does an addict make a reasonable choice?) I guess I'm a case study.

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#915167 - 08/05/09 08:38 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: splendad]
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Originally Posted By: splendad
Actually it does increase my libido, too, and makes the whole experience more pleasureable, but I hate that I'm hooked on it and withdrawals are pure hell. I've taken as many as 30 in one day (I know, stupid, but since when does an addict make a reasonable choice?) I guess I'm a case study.


30? And you can still think straight? Obviously you aren't prone to seizure. My problem with Tramadol is that it makes me both numb, and my thinking gets cloudy.
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#917160 - 08/11/09 10:21 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: kevin8462]
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whoops, after carefully reading all the posts, I seem to have posted in wrong area, sorry!

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#917207 - 08/12/09 01:04 AM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: georgiaray]
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Yeahhhh I think it's a good idea to stay away from this if you are on Effexor, or on Trazodone. I'm on high doses of both. Took 50mg Tramadol, then 50mg more 6 hours later, and wow have I had one hell of a headache. Not to mention sweating so profusely it was running down my forehead onto my face, then severe chills afterwards. Heart was beating faster, definitely. I have a problem with the left side of my neck/face (i think its mild trigeminal neuralgia ive had for years but no one has ever diagnosed me because no one has ever found a GOOD CAUSE for my headaches/pain/etc.) and it made all of that pain flare up. Could be a coincidence, but maybe not. I just think I'll stay away from it now and call my Dr. tomorrow to see if she can give me something else. smile
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#999248 - 02/02/10 04:13 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: Code21]
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Well if you're going on Tramadol for life-long chronic depression then withdrawals will never be an issue for u since you will be taking it the rest of your life. In that case Tramadol is the best cure hands down that i know of. I know, because nothing else ever worked for me as well as this pill has.

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#1009929 - 02/28/10 05:03 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: mzvqnia]
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Most advice found here is very good. Other advice is good for some but not good for others (such as myself)

Of course, there are about 1,000,000 questions that need to be answered before anyone can really help anyone SPECIFICALLY on here with this subject. How much have you taken per night? Did you take it nightly? 2-3 times a week? Etc....

I have known people to use Tramadol nightly for months while staying within their prescribed amounts and suffered no withdrawls when they came off them. I also know people who did the same and suffered significant withdrawls when they got off them.

I know people who used Tramadol for months simply for the "high" they got (thus, used more than prescribed amounts per night) and suffered no withdrawls...others had much worse withdrawls

So, my point is just to be quite careful.

A family member of mine took Tramadol for just 3 weeks and when she came off of it, it took her 3-4 days to really get off the withdrawls. No, she wasn't shaking or having terrible headaches....but her body wouldn't let her sleep very well for a few days and she ached in places that she normally does not for a few days.

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#1009988 - 02/28/10 07:13 PM Re: Tramadol/Ultram Help Please [Re: mzvqnia]
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Originally Posted By: mzvqnia
Well if you're going on Tramadol for life-long chronic depression then withdrawals will never be an issue for u since you will be taking it the rest of your life. In that case Tramadol is the best cure hands down that i know of. I know, because nothing else ever worked for me as well as this pill has.


I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Opioid drugs are not a "cure" for anything including depression.
And the concept of taking it for the rest of your life to treat depression is very bad medicine and will not work long-term.
The reason people have such a hard time finding a doctor who will prescribe on this basis is because it makes no medical sense. Even the croakers won't do it. Seems like the only way to medicate like this is to self-medicate. Bad idea for so many reasons.

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