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#643388 - 02/04/08 03:09 AM
Re: Ultram - Tramadol
   
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This has been discussed before in great detail; even Chemsynth got involved. We never reached a conclusion. Potentially there are interactions between Tramadol and SSRIs/SNRIs, but so many people are on these drugs, who also have pain, and there are so many doctors who want to give Tramadol instead of traditional opioids, that many patients have no choice. Also there are quite a few people on this board who take the 2 drugs together and don't experience problems. Bertinetti was commenting on clonazepam because it raises the seizure threshold. Serotonin syndrome is the main concern, and patients on these drugs ought to look out for the signs of this. Nephro, I've heard you mention Serotonin syndrome several times now, but I don't know what it is. Can you explain a little about what the effects are, what you feel, how to stop it, etc.? It just sounds like something horrible and it's a place I wouldn't want to be! Thanks1
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#748929 - 08/18/08 08:13 AM
Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Tramadol could work for migraines. Although, meds that are made to specifically target migraines would be more along the lines of what you need. I take Tramadol for joint pain. Tramadol has been a success story for me. I am unable to take stronger pain medications due to the fact that taking them nauseates me. Ultram is the name brand of Tramadol hydrochloride. Ultracet is simply Tramadol with tylenol. I would recommend the generic because it is exactly the same thing as the brand. I would probably stay clear of Ultracet because taking more tylenol than one needs is not necessary (IMO). I'm not a doctor, but I think that Tramadol is easier on the liver than OTC pain relievers.
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#748935 - 08/18/08 08:18 AM
Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Oh, I forgot, Tramadol is not classified as a narcotic, although it can cause euphoria. When I first started on Tramadol treatment, I noticed I felt a little "off". I think it all depends on ones metabolism, etc. Any side effects that I have had with Tramadol have been few and minor. I have had constipation on occasion, but the benefits of Tramadol outweigh any small quirks associated with taking the medicine. I hope you feel better and I hope that Tramadol works for you. It definitely has helped. Keep me posted!
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#749127 - 08/18/08 01:07 PM
Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Registered: 07/06/06
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Wiki & read about Tramadol, its safety profile sort of sucks. Unlike the regular synthetic opioid pain relievers, it has more cancers associated with it and it more dangerous for pregnant mothers and can kill the newborn. The only problem with the oxy and hydro is the added Apap (Tylenol) and addiction potential with a social taboo of feeling nice. They have been around for a long time for good reason, and they are effective. Yup, It's common to feel a bit "off" when taking Trams since it messes with other brain neurotransmitters. Don't use it daily or you feel get the anxious need for more the next day & probably longer term health probs. If its all you got, go for it, just keep the rest in mind. Don't mix it with street drugs - wiki ODB's death.
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#749353 - 08/18/08 09:26 PM
Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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don't mean to butt in here, but yes, amysue, you can take 2 50mg Tramadol at the same time. However, like nephro said, do not exceed 400 mgs a day. So you may want to space them six hours apart. You can take them every 4-6 hours. I find that taking 100mgs of Tramadol every 4-5 hours keeps the hydro withdrawals away and helps with the pain, sometimes better than the hydro, especially when you first start taking them. Let us know how they work for you. I am sorry you are going through this. Been there, done that and I feel bad for you - I really, really do!!! Take care, Sally
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#755137 - 08/28/08 07:47 AM
Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Tramadol could work for migraines. Although, meds that are made to specifically target migraines would be more along the lines of what you need. I take Tramadol for joint pain. Tramadol has been a success story for me. I am unable to take stronger pain medications due to the fact that taking them nauseates me. Ultram is the name brand of tramadol hydrochloride. Ultracet is simply tramadol with tylenol. I would recommend the generic because it is exactly the same thing as the brand. I would probably stay clear of Ultracet because taking more tylenol than one needs is not necessary (IMO). I'm not a doctor, but I think that tramadol is easier on the liver than OTC pain relievers. Thanks for the info. Traditional migraine meds don't work for me. I have a friend that gets 50 or more botox injections to her scalp -- all in one sitting -- because nothing works for her migraines, and even that is not working right now. I just can't go there. Anyway, I digress. I see that Tramadol cannot be taken with Wellbutrin and other antidepressants. Does that include Prozac? I take both. So if I need to take Tramadol but have already taken my anti D's that day, don't take it. But if I haven't taken them yet that day is it safe? Or do you have to be off them for a period of time before taking Tramadol? I will also ask PCP next time I see him but just wondered if anyone knows the answer to that question. Thanks!
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#755298 - 08/28/08 10:37 AM
Re: Ultram - Tramadol
[Re: dnj]
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Registered: 02/28/08
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Tramadol could work for migraines. Although, meds that are made to specifically target migraines would be more along the lines of what you need. I take Tramadol for joint pain. Tramadol has been a success story for me. I am unable to take stronger pain medications due to the fact that taking them nauseates me. Ultram is the name brand of tramadol hydrochloride. Ultracet is simply tramadol with tylenol. I would recommend the generic because it is exactly the same thing as the brand. I would probably stay clear of Ultracet because taking more tylenol than one needs is not necessary (IMO). I'm not a doctor, but I think that tramadol is easier on the liver than OTC pain relievers. Thanks for the info. Traditional migraine meds don't work for me. I have a friend that gets 50 or more botox injections to her scalp -- all in one sitting -- because nothing works for her migraines, and even that is not working right now. I just can't go there. Anyway, I digress. I see that Tramadol cannot be taken with Wellbutrin and other antidepressants. Does that include Prozac? I take both. So if I need to take Tramadol but have already taken my anti D's that day, don't take it. But if I haven't taken them yet that day is it safe? Or do you have to be off them for a period of time before taking Tramadol? I will also ask PCP next time I see him but just wondered if anyone knows the answer to that question. Thanks! If you are only taking 50 mg of Tramadol and 20 mg of Prozac, the chance of developing Serotonin Syndrome is small. It will reduce your seizure threashold, but that is only of concern if you have a history of seizures. I take Tramadol for CTS, and only on occassion, but it makes any headache that I have worse! I think this is due to it's affinity for norepinephrine, which is stimulating and can case a tension headache to get worse. I also wouldn't take it too close to bed time for this reason.
Edited by jehza1 (08/28/08 10:43 AM)
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#768288 - 09/18/08 05:02 PM
Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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The parenteral route allows for greater daily doses than does PO; does this mean that SL, buccal and PR total daily doses can be higher in the same proportion? Some here know my medical history so im not going to go through it again in full, quick summary though, I had avascular necrosis in my hips, had bilateral coredecompression, left sorted, no problems, right still giving problems. Have been on Trams daily since last year Novemberish. I know about the 400 mg rule but hand on heart have taken up to 16 50mg in a day at times along with quite a few co-codomols and have never had any noticeable probs. (this was purely to get through work, I dont find they give me any sort of high, never have) I have been much better but had to do a lot of running around during my sons birth this week (had my op about 12 weeks ago) so had a flare up of pain, I took quite a few trams yesterday and today and have had the usual persistent problem I have when taking too many, problem urinating, I am also having kidney pains on the left side. I really want to try something different but the docs will just not prescribe me anything else, and thats after changing docs twice!! I also take Valium/Xanax (depending on the day) and Modalert and ephedrine when working nights. Is there anything that will be less damaging and more effective for the pain when it does flare up. I am in all honesty battling to get off the Trams now, I find I get sweats and irritabillity so take one or two a day on the good days, its getting ridiculous. Ive tried Bupe 0.2 x 2 and they seem to work, would these be any less damaging or difficult to get off while I work through the last stage of this problem. Im also worried about my liver and kidneys, I gave up drinking and smoking in March so obviously that has helped, any suggestions on something to help protect the liver and kidney, and most of all the urination problems, is that something to worry about long term, it really causes me concern. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Originally Posted By: ProAnthGonz No, the pain relief will not increase. Tramadol works also as an SNRI (Effexor is a pure SNRI) but Tramadol also works by mocking how true opiates bind to the Mu rector. So just be careful with the SNRI action and properties it has. I personally have about 4 years of experience and daily taking of Tramadol, I know everything there is know from learning, research, and most of all personal experiences. If anyone has any further questions feel free to ask, there is a lot of rumors and invalid myths and info going around about Tramadol.
Edited by daddyd (09/18/08 05:05 PM)
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#768291 - 09/18/08 05:10 PM
Re: Ultram - Tramadol
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Registered: 08/01/08
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The parenteral route allows for greater daily doses than does PO; does this mean that SL, buccal and PR total daily doses can be higher in the same proportion? Some here know my medical history so im not going to go through it again in full, quick summary though, I had avascular necrosis in my hips, had bilateral coredecompression, left sorted, no problems, right still giving problems. Have been on Trams daily since last year Novemberish. I know about the 400 mg rule but hand on heart have taken up to 16 50mg in a day at times along with quite a few co-codomols and have never had any noticeable probs. (this was purely to get through work, I dont find they give me any sort of high, never have) I have been much better but had to do a lot of running around during my sons birth this week (had my op about 12 weeks ago) so had a flare up of pain, I took quite a few trams yesterday and today and have had the usual persistent problem I have when taking too many, problem urinating, I am also having kidney pains on the left side. I really want to try something different but the docs will just not prescribe me anything else, and thats after changing docs twice!! I also take Valium/Xanax (depending on the day) and Modalert and ephedrine when working nights. Is there anything that will be less damaging and more effective for the pain when it does flare up. I am in all honesty battling to get off the Trams now, I find I get sweats and irritabillity so take one or two a day on the good days, its getting ridiculous. Ive tried Bupe 0.2 x 2 and they seem to work, would these be any less damaging or difficult to get off while I work through the last stage of this problem. Im also worried about my liver and kidneys, I gave up drinking and smoking in March so obviously that has helped, any suggestions on something to help protect the liver and kidney, and most of all the urination problems, is that something to worry about long term, it really causes me concern. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Originally Posted By: ProAnthGonz No, the pain relief will not increase. Tramadol works also as an SNRI (Effexor is a pure SNRI) but Tramadol also works by mocking how true opiates bind to the Mu rector. So just be careful with the SNRI action and properties it has. I personally have about 4 years of experience and daily taking of Tramadol, I know everything there is know from learning, research, and most of all personal experiences. If anyone has any further questions feel free to ask, there is a lot of rumors and invalid myths and info going around about Tramadol. If you happen to see this post and have any input, please pm me to let me know you've left a response as I might miss it. With a new baby in the house it is crazy and I havnt been able to get on the computer as often as I would like... many thx..
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