Hey guys. I don't know what to do. I used Dr. Freidlander a few times over the years. Today I get a certified letter in the mail from the Florida Department of Health. Here is what it says:

Board of Medicine v. Jeffrey Friedlander, MD
DOH Reference # ME 2008-10009

Dear Ms. XXXXX

The Department of Health is reviewing the health care provided by Jeffrey Friedlander, MD. We would like to look at your medical records from his office as part of this review.

Please sign the enclosed release form to give us premission to look at your medical records. This form must be signed by a witness or Notary. If you are the patient's legal representative. guardian or estate executor, please provide copies of the supporting legal documents. Your medical records will remain confidential and will only be used by the Department of Health.

You have the right to remain informed of the status of the investigation. If you wish, we will mail you periodic updates. Would you like to be kept informed of the status of the investigation? Yes____ No_____

Return this letter with the release form to my attention at the address below. We will send you no further information regarding this matter unless you reply to this letter.

The Division of Medical Quality Assurance is to promote, protect and improve the health of all people in Florida. If you have any questions, please call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx.

Sincerly,


Medical Malpractice Investigator

The form that is enclosed in pretty much a standard HIPPA release. So I assume that if I sign it, it won't just the the FL Dept of Health that will be able to view my medical records. Has anyone else gotten one of these? Should I just trash it or what? I have never gotten anything like this before.

I wouldn't sign that or even acknowledge that I received it.

I signed for it, so they know that I received it. I had no clue what it was until I opened it. I will probably just ignore it. I assume that they can get a warrant if they want to read them that badly.

signing for it is one thing ...Releasing your records to them, is another ....You have the right to NOT release the records to them!!!!....I suggest you Not respond .....If they really want your records they will subpoena you!

unless u wanna get dragged into the prosecutions case i agree that u just dont respond

I am not going to respond. I guess they can try to drag me down to Florida if they want to.

Ignore It !!
They will probably break the law and look at your records anyway.

If you sign and go along with them, there is a chance you could be supeaned to go and testify in this mess.

You are in a different state, right ?
They may have no authority over you if it's Florida cops and not Feds ?

Just wait and see or better yet,
ASK A GOOD LAWYER in your state, and fast.

Good Luck !

I live in Alabama. I have an attorney. I guess I will ask him about it. At this point, I assume that it is not a criminal investigation (I might be wrong). It looks like they are trying to get enough evidence to pull his license.

It's a good idea that you don't sign it. They can not look at or use your records without your consent. The letter reads, as you wrote it, they will not contact you any further if you do not sign it.

I agree Nitemoon. I got called by an investigator about "Wally" from ushealth. Nothing ever came of it. Just said no thanks. I didn't want to talk to them. No call backs as I remember it. It did scare the .... out of me so I sort of feel your pain. I used to have a different login name and had it and all my stuff removed from this board. z deleted my hard drive etc. Came back later to this board under this username.

Nitemoon,

The letter you received is polite compared to the letters sent out from the CA department of Health while investigating A Garcia. CA stated clearly sign or we will get a supeana. I wouldn't sign it,but don't be surprised if you get another letter. CA department of health has a really good web-site, all Rules and regs spelled out easy to read and understand. You should check out FL web-site and see what it says about they can and can't do.

I find really interesting about this is, If you haven't used him in a while. Why didn't he get rid of your records or delete them? I don't think the investigators have had his computers long enough,to be getting to stuff left on the hard drive.

I hate say it, but we will probably be seeing a lot more of this kind of thing. The which hunt is on

I actually used them one last time after ConsultsDirect's doctor stopped writing certain scripts. The site that Dr. F. was working for was really good, but Dr. F. was not real big on prescribing benzos. He would only give me 2mgs a day of xanax even though my medical records stated that I had been getting a total of 4mgs a day. When I used them for the last time (mid-March), I got one script with 0 refills. I was actually considering going to FL to do a F2F with them. Glad I didn't book that flight.

My medical records are good, and I wouldn't really mind them looking at them. I am more concerned that they may contact my PCP. I do not want to ruin that relationship.

I wouldn't sign it. I get so tired of seeing us loose our privacy. I don't know for sure, but if they want it bad enough, they'll look at it whether you give them your consent or not. We, the regular citizens are the only ones that have to follow the laws.

I say it's none of their damn business.

It is illegal for doctors to destroy records. A certain amount of years must pass since a patient is last seen before the records can be destroyed.

Did they really spell permission incorrectly?

It is amazing that medical records are supposed to be private, but once a supposed legal matter comes into play privacy goes out the door. Very sad! Keep us posted on what transpires.

My suggestion to you is not to get involved. I would just hang on to the letter and not reply if it were me. What has probably happened is this agency has gotten all of this doctor's records for investigation purposes and wants to get as many people as possible to convict.

Do you mean go on a meaningless, costly witch hunt against the patients? Or more evidence to try and build a case to convict Friedlander?

Probably to build a case against the doctor. My advice is not to sign anything, anywhere, anyhow!

Nitemoon, wow! GULP!

I know this is probably causing you a lot of grief right now. Down in the Sunshine State, we have had watch poor Doc Friedlander and company be hauled off and arrested by LE. They physically came in and took one of his associate's off in handcuffs at the Pain Clinic in Lakeland. The doctor was all tattooed up both arms with a coat over his head. Now, nothing against tattoos, I just found the whole thing kind of surreal.

Anyway, the investigation thus far seems to be all about the Pain Clinics operating in many cities in Florida and how he and his fellow doc's have been ALLEGEDLY distributing and dispensing controlled substances without a valid medical purpose. They are also ALLEGEDLY accused of giving out blank scripts too.


Nitemoon...I would not respond if you are not in-state. If they keep on hassling you, you may need to down the road, but the investigation is actually about the Pain Clinics in Fl, not the involvement you had with him. I won't elaborate more for obvious reasons, however, they obviously have those records too.

Here's a link to the video of the doctor getting arrested with the coat on his head at the Pain Clinic and the media talking about how patients can get their records <--sarcasm!


http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/...S-SlbKD4Hw.cspx

Another media screw up. I have seen the dr in person and that is not even who they say it is. The dr they are asking with the coat over his head, "Do you have any comments" is not Dr Troy. He does not have tattoos like that.

My visit was nothing like what they are describing, I was with the dr for a good 45 minutes. ID was taken, a complete history, reviewed all my previous records (which were quite lengthy). He spent alot of time explaining my condition in words I could understand and I left with a better understanding of my condition than any other dr in the past has ever given me. I also left with a very long list of blood work that I am to have done and have the report faxed to the dr which he will then go over with me. I have to say it was the most complete consultation I have ever had before.

Dr F quit doing telemeds on Feb 28th so he was well with in the time frame for the new laws going into effect and from what I have heard this is not due to telemeds. He would not budge on it after that date either. I am wondering if they are going to continue to go after physicians that USED to do telemeds?

It looks like the DOH in FL needs a spell check, permission and sincerely are both spelled wrong!

it is not only docs doing telemed... they are also going after brick and mortar pain docs that don't even know what an online consult is.

my doc has been audited 3 times in the last 2 years. big brother wants every doc that has a bit of compassion for cpr's wiped out. it is insane.

we might as well be living under a dictatorship. (that enjoys seeing the weak suffer) god forbid someone take a medication that allow them to function properly. maybe i should just go on disability and let the taxpayers pay for me to use up oxygen for the next 40 years. rather than take a medication, get to work, take care of my family and pay into the system

I got one of these letters on November 14, 2008, and I never responded to it. I just filed it in my little folder (just in case for future reference), and I ignored it.

I personally have seen Dr. Troy and Dr. F and they are great. They never "gave out" meds that were not needed. I had to bring in updated records each time. And the above poster is right, Dr. Troy does not have arms covered in tatoos. That is not him. They have helped me with my horrible pain for months now, and now I am freaking out. Who is going to care for me now?? I was told that if I stop taking the meds I am on, I can have horrible issues. I have finally found a great combo of meds that really help me live a normal life. I am so sad to see this happen. What are his patients going to do now? The ones that need the meds for pain and not the ones that are "faking". He always spent like an hour with me on each monthly visit and kept a tight ship as far as my records. He always sent me for MRI's and blood work and made sure I was up to date on everything. He was the best. I hope that these allegations are cleared up and not true. I just don't see him doing things like that. I just think they are cracking down on all previous internet docs. It's not fair for people with NO experience in medical to tell medical professionals how to operate. What are those of us who are in REAL chronic pain supposed to do? The junkies have ruined our chance at healthcare.

Investigators have nothing with out 'the other side' which is anybody that would have received that letter and signed for it.

If they did, buckle the seat belt well, you are going for a ride.


I used to practice law UP until April 10, 2009 - then got the boot. I was fighting everything I could with my last client for doctor shopping, which to me, he wasn't. Sad story with my client. He retained my services and in the end, I refunded his money and pro-bono'd the service since it pissed me off so bad.

I am 48 and seen it all folks. Last 2 years on the front line with doctors and patients.

Guys, I am just bewildered what's going on now. Some of the folks I have seen, THEY HAVE NO CHOICE but to 'dr shop' just because of the doctors. They are scared and relentless about anything with the CSA (controlled substance act) Same goes with the pharmacist's - they see it all the time and 90% do not care about dr.shopping.

Some of the clients I have had... I am serious, I could write a book. So sad and the extreme measures they have to take just to live!

Few I had, if they didn't have a 'norco' pain reliever, they couldn't go to the store to get food.

I can't practice with the 2 mile high wall between the people and government. I will work at jack n box... I don't care anymore.

Last 2 years - immense legislature has been processed that barricades pain patients, doesn't matter of your age,color,insurance,wealth,poor,medicaid,etc.

There is a much bigger picture being painted right now and no one truly knows what it is. I don't, but I see the brush strokes here and there.

All I am saying, do what you gotta do. If the dice rolls in your favor-GO. If not, go after it.

What happened to your law prcatice? Were you covering clients for these doctors or others?

Please Fill Me IN! What Happened to you! ....What do you Know? ...I am getting Very Active in this Fight!
Stevo

Nightmoon,

The minute I read this I knew they were just trying to trap you. I am an attorney and live in Florida and the Dept.of Health will take any kind of shortcuts they can get away with. They are a bunch of lazy state employees. If they want the records so bad let them go to the trouble of getting a court order, like everyone else has to do. Your records are protected by HIPPA and without court intervention they have no business to them. I guess they all think that they have to show some sort of official badge and we will all just cave in to what they want. I wouldn't even recognize that I got it. Actually, I would get rid of it so it can never be found again. If they want to build a case against Dr. Friendlander then let THEM do it the proper way. They are counting on you being intimidated.

I know that it isn't easy just putting this on the back burner but I would go so far as to say that they have enough idiots that will talk to them without the necessary court documents that they won't even need you. Try to put it in the back of your mind. (Easier said than done.) Dr. Friendlander has an attorney. If they continue this [censored] call him or her.

I really wish you the best.

Peace,
Alice

I haven't heard anything else, so I am just going to forget about it. I really appreciate all the advice from you guys. I was kind of freaked out the first day. Then I figured, if I was truely in some sort of trouble, they would have shown up in person and not sent a certified letter. I think the whole thing is about Dr. Freidlander pre-signing blank prescriptions, and that the people who worked for him were filling them in without the doctor ever seeing what was being written.

I was contracted through a nice sized firm that operates out of W.DC,Philly,NYC.

After my last case with the client that was suspected of Dr.Shopping (1 script for narcotics from FL, Other from OH) for the same meds, I pleaded with the DA and Judge from my clients point of view.

Bottom Line - he was majorly under treated and Dr in OH was not doing anything for him ONLY.... and say ONLY in fear of the DEA in losing his license to be a professional Doctor and render his patient with the care that was needed!


This made me so upset that fear rumor of the DEA made the Dr relentless in doing his job.

My client came back from Iraq all tore up and fractured his femur bone and ankle had hardware in it. Client was in cructhes with F'ing pins sticking out of his leg.


In the end, he had to do 140 hours of community service instead of the DA advising on 4 years in prison.

The jury was in tears (so was I)

I couldn't handle this perception and vented (rather aggressively) to my partners and was asked to leave with full contract services paid out.


I cannot do my job any longer. If you ever have to go to court, jury trial is the way to go, because you are doing with other human beings with integrity and respect, unlike DA's and PA's with out souls.


I will apply at Starbucks and be more happy working there or even McDonalds.

The court systems are so FXXXk'd up regarding people that live and deal with pain.

My last client was in pain physically, emotionally and sincere.

Sorry for the vent guys or whoever reads this, but do what you have to do to.

Sorry to hear about that. Maybe you could be court appointed atty for people who cannot afford it or a place that advocates for vets or chronic pain clients. I do agree our vets are very undertreated. Sounds like nitemoon is putting this behind her. i guess she will post agian if something else comes up.

I will definitely let you guys know if I hear anything else from the Florida Department of Health. I was very suprised when the letter arrived. I have been using OCSs since 1999, and I have never had anything like this happen before.

I am just glad it was the Department of Health and not the DEA!!!

Super ...Thank you for filling in the Blanks! I Owe you an Apology for what I Posted in another Thread! Please Accept my Sincere Apology ....We need People like you that have the Legal Expertise and Knowledge that are on the Legitimate CP'ers side!!

Peace
Stevo

All I can say to you guys and stick it out and don't go down with out a fight.

I would be more then happy to help out in any way I can.


I truly learned a lesson after this trial and wanted to share it with all of you


Everyday you go about your business, work, home life, children, parents, grand parents, neighbors etc, just THINK about our servicemen and women overseas devoting LIFE for our life. Even though we all have an opinion or two about how we got over in the Middle East, these honorable human beings 24/7 are risking life and limb. Some don't come back and so do but missing arms,legs and just beat up physically and mentally.

All of them have family that think about them all day, every day -hoping they are alive and doing alright.

When you see them at the airport or driving down the road, remember what they are doing and what most importantly, what they are risking.


All and all - we will all look back at this current debacle of treating pain patients (elderly, young, old, soldiers etc) and learn.


And to my previous message from yesterday, Yes- I applied at Starbucks and have an interview tomorrow. The Manager thought I was nuts and over qualified, but I just want to be happy and get away from the trials that should have NEVER been trials to begin with.

If I can offer any service to you all, just let me know and of course, no fees. Heck, I might be filling your coffee next week and you will never know!

Your amazing!

I am an ongoing patient of Dr. Friedlander and his Physician Assistant Troy Wubbena. I have script with refills and a future appointment. Should I fill the script? I did some research and found that Dr. Friedlanders license was suspended on 4/16/2009 (see below). Should I try and refill the prescription and is it even still good? Does anyone else know what is going on with their office? Are they still open? I have tried contacting them and only get a recording and they have not returned any phone calls. I am afraid that if I go to a different physician and get a new script for the same dates that the one for Dr. Friedlander covers, I might be accused of Dr shopping.

JEFFREY FRIEDLANDER
LICENSE NUMBER: ME43369

Profession
MEDICAL DOCTOR

License/Activity Status
Emergency Suspension


Qualifications
Dispensing Practitioner



License Expiration Date License Original Issue Date
1/31/2010 12/14/1983


Discipline on File
YES Link To Discipline


Address of Record
1525 EAST AMELIA STREET
ORLANDO,FL32803
UNITED STATES

The only reference I have is Dr. Garcia who seems to have lost his scripting license also. People still had one or two refills with him and I only heard one person on this board say they couldn't fill it.
He wrote more scripts than Friedlander I bet since he worked for so many services.
It's worth a try and if they tell you it's no good at the counter than it's no good and you know for sure. Otherwise you will always wonder if you did the right thing.
This is no fault of yours so do not feel embarrassed to try and get your refills. You saw him F2F like the law requires. How did you know he was doing something illegal?
Should I check each of my Dr.s before I go and refill. Of course not. Unless the government wrote you to tell you he lost his license there is no real way for you to have known in all honestly. Okay since we all know that was a speech just give it a try.
Did you try Lucy?
I used him too last year and loved their service but never went F2F.
K

I would definitely try to get the refills. Just call them in. If there is a problem, they should tell you when you call. I would not worry about it. If they say yes, GREAT. If they say no, at least you tried. You are not going to get in any trouble for requesting your refills. If you wouldn't have done the research, you would have never known that his license had been suspended.

As Tango posted, most people do not research their doctors prior to calling in a refill.

Also, wanted to add, I have talked to my attorney regarding the letter. He is a friend, so I don't have to pay him for the advice. He said to not worry about it. He said that if anything else comes up, I should just point them in his direction.

While I agree you should go try to get the prescription filled, the person who said this was the same situation as Dr. Garcia is incorrect. Dr. Freidlander is under an emergency suspension of his license. Dr. Garcia's license was never suspended. He received threats to stop writing for controlled substances or else. I and quite a few others refilled scripts after that date. One person posted they did not, and the pharmacy lied as to the reason. They were most likely just uncomfortable with the script, which means they did not have to fill it.

They may or may not fill a Freidlander script, but it is worth a try.

An Update. I went to the Publix pharmacy today where I had intially filled the prescrition and tried to get a refill. They came back after 10 minutes and said that their system kicked out the Rx as Dr. Jeffrey Friedlander has had both his Medical License and DEA Number suspended. They would not refill it. They practically screamed that to the whole store, and the other three people in line behind me, that I could not get my drugs because my doctor has been flagged and is under investigation. How embarrasing!!! They said almost all pharmacies have automated systems now days for checking licenses. I will run out of my current meds tomorrow and I guess I will just have to suffer through the dehabilitationg headaches (I haver a large Hernation in my neck that presses on a several nerve roots leaving them inflamed most of the time). I have started looking for a new Pain Doctor, but do not even have an appointment at this time. I have sent an e-mail to the DOH for my records, but have not even gotten a response. I am new to this site, who is Lucy?

I don't want to sound like an idiot, but could someone please clarify for me the new law change. As I understand it, through out the years Dr.s abilities to perscribe have changed from simply needing to fill out a medical questionare, to needing medical records, to needing a consultation.. Now, as I understand, we need to do a face to face consultations. Is it true that this law took affect on or around 4/15? If so, if we had a phone consultaion before that date, with refills, are those refills still legal after 4/15? I read a recent post stating the new perscribing law, but I did not see were it referred to refills on consults written prior to 4/15. Could someone please clarify this for me? Thank you

You got it all Correct ! As Far as Refills ...I guess it's how you Interpret the RHA Act! To Me it Looks as though any Script that was written before April 13th that did Not result from a F2F is Illegal!!...That is how I Interpret it!...I have read it (the RHA over and over)...I keep coming up with it being Illegal! Others think It is Legal! Most Pharm's That Knew that they were Internet Scripts...Refused to fill them after April 15th.....Most That is!! a Few Pharms seem to be filling them still!!!

While it may be worth a try, a refill on a prescription that was written by a doctor for a scheduled medication whose DEA license has been suspended is invalid.

How does the pharmacy know if you had a F2F with a Dr. or not. I once went the direct script route from an online pharmacy and hand written on the script was "I saw this patient in my office". Who is to say I did or did not?

I know nothing about Dr. Freidlander but am curious how would the pharmacy know the Dr's license is on hold ? Is there some type computer system they enter the Dr's information in each refill ?

There is a way for them to look up the Doc's DEA License and see if it has been suspended or has Pending Actions!...Also I don't know how this info is sent to the DEA but the Angry Pharmacist said that Every Pharm has to supply the DEA all Controlled Meds that were filled each month with the Doc's Names and Patients Names....So the DEA has Records of All Controlled Meds that were filled everywhere in the USA!!

its his medical lic# that is temporarily suspended. the dea lic# is different.

You are technically correct but this doctor was indicted and has been jailed for illegal distribution of controlled substances.
Do really think the authorities are going to allow his DEA authorization to remain valid pending trial?
Not likely.

I want to heartfully thank you and afterward another lawyer who joined in with an honest opinion about the lack of advocacy for adults who choose their provider, based on need, through the internet. I've known cancer patients who continued to see the same doctor even though he moved from New York City to Florida to open a private practice. That's extreme, but health and comfort within your body is necessary to function. It's not the court or legal system's option or training to decide what occurs between doctor and patient, unless a patient asks for legal intervention for malpractice. Isn't that rational?

When did the AMA become so dopey and disorganized? Where are their lobbyists? They are a powerful, wealth based nationwide group who is sitting, wringing their hands, just like their patients. This is just too much!

Nobody is really interested in what these legal entities think is the moral or safe route for free, competent, adult Americans. The more people move over the more room will be taken by this insolent new version of "social workers". Because that's what the DEA, FDA, and courts have become, untrained wannabe medical and mental health professionals.

Good, they can pay my malpractice and every other provider who does the best they can, retains a license, cares about people as individuals. That should become a reasonable lawcase if the government wishes to take over the decision making for medical professionals. We can have a class action lawsuit for reimbursement of all monies spent in the pursuit of becoming licensed medical professionals. And then the government can step in and do our jobs, we won't have an investment in providing treatment and we can just step out of the field.

once a doctors licenses are suspended, all his prescriptions becom einvalid even if he wrote the prescription prior to the suspension?

SoHO
You hit the nail on the head. Well said my friend.

It has always been my personal experience that once a doctor's license to prescribe controlled substances has been suspended, the refills become invalid.
However, this would be a question better asked of your pharmacist.

I know of several people that tried getting their refills from Dr. F's scripts in the last 8 day and were told that due to his suspension they cannot be refilled.

My question is if by luck they got their license reinstated would the refills be able to then get filled. Meaning that if I went in today to get it refilled and they said they could not fill it do to the docs license being suspended and in the next month or two their license got re-instated would the refill still be valid or wuld I need to get a whole new script and start from scratch? Sorry if it is a dumb question. Just pondering... I hope the answer is that the refills could just be filled again.

I would like to know the Answer to that also!

How could you possibly find out the answer to that question? A Dr. would probably know. If theres a Dr. in the house some input would be nice.

Honestly.... I really think it doesn't matter because he will Probably be fighting this for a Long time! I do wish him the Best though!

I talked to two people who know Dr. Freidlander and Troy Wubbena (the Physicians Assistant) well today. Dr. Fiedlander has disappeared and his wife Laura, whom he is in the middle of a nasty divorce with, is desperately trying to find him. Troy Wubbena, who evidently owned the clinics (Dr. Friedlander was an employee and worked for Troy), has had the IRS seize his personal and business accounts, due to hundreds of thousands in back taxes owed from 2004 and 2005. After the seizeure of the clinics he quickly filed for bancruptcy. I do not really want to know or pry about their personal situations, but it does tell me that the clinics will not be reopening and any hope of the refills becoming valid is just a bad dream. I am moving on and have an appointment with another Pain Doctor next week. He gave me an early appointment due to my situation with the pain meds I am currently on being unavailable unexpectedly. I will let you know how it goes. Thank all of you for the support and information, it has truly helped.

Interesting. It wasn't the drugs that it was all about. It was the overdue taxes and nasty divorce.

You all know what happens when we assume......

Hello,
I also was a patient of Dr F. I'm over on the east coast but would be willing to drive to the west coast if there is a reputable dr there. If you wouldn't mind letting me know of one that you trust I would be most appreciative. I am low maintenance but had been a loyal patient of Dr F's for years and was so distressed to learn of his practice closing.
Thanking you in advance,
Mariana

And you know this How? You have been on the Board for a few Days and have 3 Posts! Your gonna have to do a Little better than that! Proof Please! I have done a Little Investigating myself! I am

Who is He... Troy or Dr F?

Stevo- can I ask who you made a appt with? I'm looking. I spoke to Troy today and this has nothing to do with the IRS. He also did not file for Bankruptcy.

Well there you go....I guess he hasn't flown the coop APAININTAMPA!!

What Appointment?

Stevo- I swear I just read a post where you said you forund a new pain doc and they got you in right away. Maybe not but I sure thought I did. If I am mistaken I am so sorry. My mind must be palying tricks on me.

BTW- Dr. F has not gone missing. Yes he is in a nasty divorce but that is not new at all and has been going on for years. Not that their personal lives have anything to do with why the DEA FBI FDLE Human Ser.vices raided them. They will have their day in trial. JMO, if Dr. F was missing I think I would completely understand. They have lost everything, income, patients and reputaion. Would you want to crawl under a rock? To have a rep as a federally indicted criminal would do me in. On top of it if they get back in business and thats a huge if because of finding the income to start all over, all their patients will have moved on. Sure some will be loyal enough to come back, but not all. And will the insurance companies want to put them back on their plans with allegations like fraud against them?

jj ....Nope.... I have Not gone anywhere else! .....I Gave Up!...I am done.... Unless I can Find a Doc in my State and not through an F2F/OCS as they will Evidentially get closed down!!....My Life is destined to be in Pain and on Tramadol and Soma until the DEA takes that away from me! I Prey and Hope Dr F and Troy get out of this Mess!!!....But it will Probably take a Long Long Time ....If Ever!

Stevo1 - I guess you did not read the first line of my post where I clearly stated that "I talked to two people who know Dr. Freidlander and Troy Wubbena (the Physicians Assistant) well today." when you stated in your post "you know this How?" I did not know that it was my obligation to provide back up documentation for things that were told to me by someone else. But, because of your stated that I "have to do a Little better than that! Proof Please!" I did basic internet searches today. This is what I found

1 Troy Wubbena was previosuly arrested on 2-10-2008 for two Felonies (UNLICENSED PRACTICE OF HEALTH CARE PROFESSION and UTTERING A FORGED INSTRUMENT) and was still out on bail when he got arrested again on 4-6-2009 with 13 more felonies.
Go to this link for his arrest record on the intial felonies: http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/online/qdisp/bn=08009195

2 Troy Wubbena does have a 103,184.26 tax lein from his personal taxes for his property in Miami. Go to this link and type in Wubbena, Troy http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/public-records/pubsearch.asp

3 Jeffrey Friedlander violated the conditions of his bail on 4-16-2009, which caused him to have his license suspended and probably explains his disappearance as he was most likely re arrested. Please go to this link: http://www.dadehealth.org/public/PUBLICnewsarticle.asp?newsID=1666&typeID=&news_type=Press+Releases

4 Jeffrey Friedlander is in a very nasty divorce. Please go to this link. Click on Guest Access and then type in Jeffrey Friedlander. https://pubtitles.co.pinellas.fl.us/login/loginx.jsp?goto=/officialrec/officialrec/DMDAInput.jsp

While I cannot find the proof of Troy Wubbenas bankruptcy filing, that is only because new bankruptcy applications are not public records.

I have now provided the PROOF. I do not know why the people on this board are so protective of Jeffrey Friedlander, M.D. and Troy Wubbena P.A.. I understand that "jjmay" aka xxxname from xxxcompnay works for an IME company that probably referred people to Dr. Friedlander and therefore has a vested interest in standing up for him. I personally am very upset with them as I paid good, hard earned money to see a doctor who could prescribe me the appropriate medications only to find out that my money was wasted, in effect stolen, as the prescriptions I received were worthless.

Stevo1, you seem to ridicule me because I have only posted three times, now 4. I came onto this board seeking advise and guidence only after the problem with Dr. Friedlander and no one else could answer my questions. I do not have the time, as I have a job and a life, to post thousands of times a year. I am not obsessed (you post every day, 17 times just yesterday). It is a shame that you would stick up for a doctor that screwed us by not keeping good records and giving out blank, pre-signed prescriptions, then ridicule me who was the victim of Neurology and Pain Centers.

I have no vested intrest Apain in Dr. F. Why would I ever put my business in jeopardy by working with a guy that would hold a practice like that. Are you kidding me?? I just know the truth. And no, he never did work for me.And please take my personal info off your post no matter how angry you are at the situation I am sure you would not want your info posted on this very public board. Thanks.

APAININTAMPA....You have Totally Broken the Rules By Posting jjmay's Personal INFO!! How would you like Your Personal Info Posted up here!
Also Everything you Posted is Just Personal History and No Proof what so Ever! I Never Attacked you I just Asked for Proof ...Which you Did Not Supply!
You should be Banned/Deleted!
Stevo

This situation is sort of strange...
You never posted and come to post all the bad news you can find and the other people that have great things to say about Dr. F... never posted about him before either

The main problem with Dr. F is that he associated with some vary shady OCS's that among other things liked to promote using our PM system and were always telling people this was to be kept secret and off the boards or the whole things would go bust... well maybe they were right and there was something to hide...

As you can see, with similar services, the Dr. that was mentioned all the time and even posts here is doing fine and the secretive one with the shills that do not want any publicity is in trouble...

We are pretty sure everything will work our in favor of Dr. F and we wish him and his associates the best of luck

Admin, Do you know what OCS's he was working with?

I think I saw something about Neurology something, which I had never seen on the board. Were the others, that were just not on the board?

Thanks

jjmay - Just for the record, I did not post anything that you did not already post. In a previous post on this same thread, which the administrator has now removed, you asked Stevo1 to contact you outside of this board and it had your personal e-mail address on it. Your personal e-mail address had your first name (please note that I did not supply your last name, even though I now know it) and the name of the IME company of which you are the President and in charge of physician recruitment. Stevo1, you might want to suggest that jjmay be banned for posting her personal information, I only copied what she has already posted.

First, Dr. F was only connected to one OCS and that is Your E health.

I have never kept it secret that I own a med fraud company. Also, I have never kept secret that sevral physicians that do do work for me are also OCS doctors. As well a lot of the doctors are surgeons and own medi spas at all the same time.

If this same thing happens to any of the other 20 doctors I work and now know personally with that also work with OCS's I am sure I would know the inside information as well and would provide what I could. Why did I become a schill? Because I know al most every doctor that works with the OCS's. For that matter Ive been around the boards for almost 10 years now and know almost every owner as well. How could I be a schill? I cannot even PM and if you look at any of my posts I have never once recommened Dr. F. I just don't get it. I have so much information that can be helpful to everyone but anytime I post anything I get jumped on and am accused of doing something wrong.

RE: Dr. F- The info you posted was prior to the current arrest. This was nothing new. From my experineces and knowledge Dr F and team were very thourough group of physicians. Also, what is in it for me to stick up for them. I have nothing to do with their drug bust and neither does my business. We don't deal at all with pharmaceuaticals only people who try to screw the system and eventually get caught.

APAIN- I never jumped on you and am not sure why you have anger towards me since I gave the board first hand knowledge not information from someone who has talked to them.

I have just one other comment in regards to what admin said. Awhile back when I spoke with Dr. F and friends not one was aware of this board. I was the one who told him people were talking about them and they were surprised. Most his employees in his offices did not know he even did telemed as it was handled by one employee and through Your E. They never asked anyone to promote their services. If they were so shady why did they stop doing teleconsults way before the April 15 deadline. Most of their telemed patients had already had their F2F at least a month or two or three before that.

Just facts.

Hi everyone.. I too had went for my F2F with drF in Feb,I had a very complete and long exam and found the whole staff and team there very kind and caring, I personally never saw any foul play but who knows in this day and age of what was going on behind closed doors, the staff at the desk really was very in the dark about the whole telemed system and had to refer to Troy as to who sent me, I was so upset and shocked when i first heard the news of drf and his teams situation ,and for me flying was a terrifing ordeal , but I cant do anything about the past and have found a dr in my area (thank god)and can get some help , so no more flying for me ,,,Its such a shame that this is happening to us all and I thought i found a great dr when i saw drf and really wish he was still in practice ,sigh....i really do hope the dr and his team get through this because they really did seem to care for people in chronic pain,i will miss them,,, take care everyone sincerely Faith

APAININTAMPA..... I understand your frustration! Yes I went and Did the F2F with Dr F and... Just Like Faith ....It was Much More Through then My Neuro Surgeon in my home state! I am just like you...... Out a lot of Money Also ....Never got my Refills and have had to go without my Meds!!..... Your Anger is being placed in the wrong Direction!!....These Doc's were Caring Compassionate Doc's! They didn't want this to happen to their Patients! They Didn't do this to Us! If you want to Blame someone for what happened to these Doc's ...Blame it on the Abusers of the System....Weather it be Slimy Pain Clinics like jjmay Posted about or it be Busloads of people going to Florida and Seeing Multiple Slimy PM docs and going back home and filling all their Scripts and Selling the Meds all over their Towns! ....And The DEA!!!
And Most Definitely Do Not Believe Everything you see in the Media!
Lastly we all have our Baggage!
I am sure I could Dig up some on You Just like you could Dig up some On ME! So Please Put your Anger in the Right Place and Forgive Me if you felt that I attacked you. It was Not my Intention!
I wish Dr F and Troy and their Staff the Best!!!....They Were the Best thing that happened to Me in Years!!!...Even though it did only last 1 Month for Me!
I hope and Pray that Someway they will come out on Top of all this CRAAP!!
Peace
Stevo

I believe he was also connected to OCS, MdHotline as well.

He was with two OCS atleast. MD was certainly one of them.

Atapma let me commend you on your research skills! I didnt see not do I car to see jmays info but you did one hell of a job answering some questions about Dr F and Troy. Good post IMO.

Good cons ALWAYS seem to care about people more than money. Just remember some care salesmen you've met. THEY are the reason the government went after them. The DEA does their job, although sometimes a bit overzealous like the LE, I have to admit that when there is a problem and I see the police coming, I am very relieved.

Secondly, that information that was given is a matter of public record, so I don't see where Rules were broken. From what I see, these guys were a couple of sleazes who thought they would outwit not only the public, but the law. Don't work that way.

As for getting the pills you need, with all the money you've spent (after reading your posts, Stevo), wouldn't it be cheaper to buy health insurance? This unorthodox method of treating yourself has lead you down a desperate road to nowhere, except that you are lauding common criminals.

It's not unlike the praises that used to be handed out for that huckster snake oil salesman, Chris Larsen. Personally, I don't do business with people that have felonies, no matter how sweet they are. They'll take every buck they can get when you're not looking. That's why they are (were) in jail.

Enough of this "no one cares about us people in chronic pain" baloney. It simply isn't true. I know because I've been living it now for some time and have had no problem when a condition truly exists. I have had to change my lifestyle completely (the hardest part) and learn to accept it (the second hardest part). The whining stopped a long time ago--there are a lot of people far worse off than I. I was blessed to get health insurance.

THAT'S the REAL crime here. Health care in business--it is not about medical treatment.

So why aren't we going after the AMA?

kserah....You are SOOOOO off Base here! Did you forget that I have Insurance!.....State Insurance!....It is Probably the Best Insurance in the Nation! I don't even see the Bills!! When I had My 5 1/2 Hour Shoulder Surgery and went to PT for 2 Years for it....I never even saw the Bill!! I don't get Bills for My MRI's or the PM doc that Gives me Epidural's and Facet Injections!! They will Do Almost anything to treat my Pain without giving Me Narcotics!!! Do you Really think I should Have my 3 Herniated Discs in my Neck Fused? Not to Mention the Ones in my Lower Back! Should I keep Spending My States $$$ for These Band-Aid Tests and Injections? How Much is Too Much Steroid Injections? And No I can't seem to Find a Doc in my Area to Treat Me Properly and With The Respect That I Need!! It is all about $$$ For these Doc's TOO!!!
Jeeze!
If You are Sick of My Posts ....Put me on Ignore or Notify Admin!

I am Done Defending Myself!
Stevo

I was wrong. Dr. F was associated with 1 other OCS. MDhotline. In the last year though he had only done a handful of exams through them.

Kserah,

I have noticed you make posts like this several times recently. I am very glad you are able to get the pain relief you need, but that is not the case everywhere.
To imply, or state that if your condition is real you will get adequate relief is really not fair to many here.

The University Of Mississippi Medical School, the only one in the state, issues the official opinion that narcotic pain relief is only appropriate for chronic pain patients if they are terminal, with less than 6 months to live. That leaves most cancer patients, people with Lupus, diabetes, back issues, and many other conditions out in the cold.

ER's in the state have posters stating if you are seen for pain issues more than once in a 6 month period you will not be treated with narcotic pain relievers, they will be treating your pain with non-addictive alternatives.

I've had this condition and pain for several years, but no health insurance, so I do indeed know what it is like to be without--it is hell. The problem was not that I didn't have the condition, it was that the medical community is a BUSINESS community, not dealing with people.

The only way I finally got the relief I needed was when I collapsed, spent a week in the hospital, was told I had an irreversible terminal condition, to go home and get my affairs in order and if I go more than 18 months I'm a lucky dog.

In other words, the only way people can get what they need is if they are dying. That is pathetic, but blaming the DEA is inane. They are little robots who want to keep their civil service jobs and pension.

It is the AMA that needs to me hit up hard and where in the hell is the "Hypocritical Oath" in all of this? I realize that you may not have know my entire saga, but please do't be patronizing. I have gone through hell like the rest of you, but even then I used common sense and generally got what if NEEDED--not always what I wanted.

And if I'm not feeling as much pain it is because I am losing oxygen to the brain. I'm up to 6mil 24/7 and feel pretty daffy most of the time. The biggest blessing I have is that I am forgetting all the things I did, what I was capable of doing that I'll never do again, that once I was smart and healthy and energetic and loved kids and dogs and people and now I can't even pick up my grandson. He's 22 pounds. I'll be 59 in a month and I got my first job when I was ten. I had to wear contacts on my eyes (they had just come out) so I wouldn't go blind. They hurt like broken glass every second I wore them. I was eleven.

I went through a C-section with no meds after wards b/c of a doctor that thought women would drop their babies.

So, please---spare me the "I can't take the pain," [censored]. People have been doing it for millions of years. So I'm getting some relief before I check out. Sorry if that annoys you. Maybe we just live in a soft society that demands entitlement and our desires attended to immediately like a child's.

I realize you are educated, etc., but you can take all those studies and put them in a file drawer for what they are worth. What you are looking for you will not find on a drug board---you need a lot of money and someone with political clout who is in a lot of pain.

Forgive me if I have made my posts look easy or 'patronizing'. I have lived through hell and I ain't done yet.

3May2009 Sunday today I rc'd this. What you read here is all I know and it's real.

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Late Friday afternoon Dr Friedlander and Dr Troy, PhD won their first battle vs. the state of Fl and the government. The Federal judge ruled that they did not violate the terms of their release by prescribing the medication Opana. This week an emergency motion will be filed to the state appelate court to reopen their offices and see patients once again. Once that is ruled on and should with out question be 100% favorable we will be able to provide service again. We hope this to be with in the next week.

We are aware of your concern to continue working with Dr Friedlander, however those that have seen the drs or spoke to Dr F or Troy for consults know they are 100% legit and this type of action by the government if tolerated will make it impossible for those who are in genuine pain to receive any medications. Dr and Troy still need your support to get through this and please continue to send your emails of support if you have not already for the Dr and his staff.

This is good news and hopefully the next email you receive from us will have even better news.

I certainly hope it works out, too. It will be beneficial for all. I just wouldn't want to be working with crooks when there are equally as many (if not more) legitimate, compassionate doctors who will help and their patients will not have to endure anxiety over their actions.

We just don't hear about them that much b/c they follow the Rules and probably aren't as greedy.

Latchet1113 - You are almost for sure Troy Wubbena. I notice you keep saying "we" and "us". You do not have a Phd. As Stevo1 was so quick to tell me, PROOF please. I have done a thorough records check and I cannot find anything to back up where you said that you won a court preceding on Friday. I believe Dr. Jeffrey Friedlander is still in jail. You would be CRAZY to be keep seeing patients with all of your pending Federal Felonies (15 at last count). But from what I have already found out about your previous habit of quackery and seeing patients when out on bail, it would not surprise. Please see the Press Release on Saturday, yesterday, from the Orlando Sentinel, the day after you said that Dr. Jeffrey Friedlander won his court case. By the way, I want the money you in effect stole from me back!!!!

Dr. Jeffrey Friedlander of Orlando suspended from practice
Fernando Quintero | Sentinel Staff Writer


May 2, 2009 - Orlando Sentinel


An Orlando doctor charged with illegally prescribing oxycodone, morphine and other drugs has been ordered by state officials to quit his practice.

State Surgeon General Ana M. Viamonte Ros issued an emergency suspension order for Dr. Jeffrey Friedlander of Orlando.

On March 26, Friedlander was indicted and charged with knowingly and willfully conspiring with three co-defendants "and other persons, both known and unknown" to illegally distribute and dispense controlled substances, primarily oxycodone, morphine, hydrocodone and alprazolam, which is also known as Xanax.

As a condition of his release, Friedlander was ordered not to prescribe, dispense or transfer any of the types of medications listed in his indictment.

On April 14, Friedlander violated this provision, authorities say. An emergency-suspension order was then issued.

"Through his actions, Dr. Friedlander has shown that he is unable to practice medicine safely at this time," Viamonte Ros said. "Due to his impairment, his inability to practice with the necessary skill, causes him to be an immediate and serious danger to Florida's residents and visitors."

An emergency-suspension order prevents Friedlander from practicing as a physician in Florida until final action by the Florida Board of Medicine.

Fernando Quintero can be reached at fquintero@orlandosentinel.com or 407-650-6333.

I notice that you only have 4 post and your last one was in 2007, yet Stevo1 (who obviously only gets uspet with people who do not appreciate you stealing our money) does bot have a problem with you.

APAININTAMPA..... I believe that was an email that latech1113 received from Dr F's Office!!

APAININTAMPA.....Did you Read this Part?

Stevo1- It is obvious from the post to anyone who reads it that it was from Troy Wubbena (not Phd). Once again, Dr. Friedlander is in jail due to violation of his release. Anyone can state that it was an e-mail from the staff, but there are numerous cotradictions in it that clearly indicate that it was not a e-mail from the clinics to the patients and was solely written for this board. I am a patient and they have my e-mail, yet I have not received anything or even a response to my numerous phone massages. Once again in YOUR famous words "Your gonna have to do a Little better than that! Proof Please!" or does that only apply to people you disagree with and are not "shills" for crooked doctors.

Oh ....By the way I am Dr F! LOL

LOLAY - Laughing Out Loud At You.

I am not TW.

Posts? I'm a listener, not posting much. But if you check Stevo1's date of activating an account with this forum it was Aug06 and I came onboard March06. I've been here just not posting due to work & travel on the job.


Let this rest your heart. I've done 32 years in the US Army. My time is done. My duty to this USA fulfilled.

My post was a cut~n~paste from an email I rc'd. Any grammar infractions were from the person's email, not mine.

APAININTAMPA.....I would think if you are a Patient of Dr F's.... That You would be happy to hear the GOOD News That was Posted!! I guess Not ....Post Away I am Done Posting to You .....I have Only Posted What I think is the Truth and You seem to Be Very Angry and Vindictive!
I will Not get into a Flame War with you!
I wish you the Best of Luck with your New Doc.
Peace
Stevo

Once Again, you are obviously Troy Wubbena. You are an indicted federal felon and lying would be something that you are quite good at. By the way, an appelate court cannot order the clinics open. Dr. Frieldander would have to have a license. That can only be done by the State Surgeon General. Do you really think she will give your supervising doctor his license back if in fact, as you state, he was prescribing Opana. Info about Opana:

WARNING: OPANA ER contains oxymorphone, which is a morphine-like opioid agonist and a Schedule II controlled substance, with an abuse liability similar to other opioid analgesics.

Oxymorphone can be abused in a manner similar to other opioid agonists, legal or illicit. This should be considered when prescribing or dispensing OPANA ER in situations where the physician or pharmacist is concerned about an increased risk of misuse, abuse, or diversion.

This will be easy to prove. When at the end of this coming week Dr. Jeffrey Friedlander does not have his license back, I will come back on this board and let latech1113, I mean Troy Wubbena (not PhD), that he is still out of business.

By the way, I would love to have them reopen their doors. I would be the first in line to demand my money back that they in effect stole from me.

Let's all wait until next week and see who is right.

this is a legitimate email that was sent out. its nice to hear some good news once in a while, especially with all the mud that has been tossed around here.

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such anger and hostility may stem from some form of resentment, so its curious why an anonymous person would go to such lengths to make public the lives of others, whether they be doctors or fellow posters. the info may be on public messages but because you went to the doctors office which unfortunately was shut down, you have come to some sort of conclusion in your mind that you will retaliate by posting all their personal info - as a way to achieve some sick sort of satisfaction.

being a pain patient is an unfortunate position to be in. many clinics and doctors are being forced to stop writing prescriptions or being shut down completely, as well as having the burden of criminal charges thrown onto them. unfortunately it is the patients who bear the brunt of the governments actions as they may be shut out of their medicine. you seem to be concerned with getting your money back than being adequately treated. it sucks to lose money but it sucks more to be in pain and not have the medicine you were prescribed to treat it.

there are pain patients across the country who have lost money because the government has suddenly closed clinics etc. you are not the first person this has happened to nor will you be the last. this is now the nature of pain management.

could you point out these numerous contradictions for me? as i do not see them. and i am being serious, not just posting this to argue.

you seem quite angry, realize you were not this doctors only patient, in fact there were probably many local's seeing him that had no idea that he even practiced telemedicine... while you are steaming and arguing about getting your money back, there are probably a plethora of grey hairs wondering what doctor they are going to see next month. (if they even know what happened yet) for being a CP patient that this doctor has helped in the past, you sure aren't showing any compassion for what has/is happening to him. (and is happening to many others doctors in his state and across the country.)

and what is so odd about prescribing opana to someone (a local i assume) who is in horrific pain that he has an established face to face relationship with at his clinic? i haven't read that he was prescribing it to anyone that he was doing phone consults with. was he even still doing consults over the phone or strictly F2F at his office?

also, you keep pointing out that this troy guy has no phd... why does this matter? was he examining the patients and writing the prescriptions? why are you so angry about this doctor? if there is anyone you should be pushing your frustrations toward it is the people who are persecuting any and all compassionate docs out there that are willing to help people that so many others seem to dismiss.

How do we know Dr. F is in jail> Speculation because someone someone knows knows DR. F and his wife are going through a nast divorce and she can't find him? So he is in jail?

Troy does have a PHD. That is fact.

This is now getting kinda funny. You do act as though your the only one out money.

Fact-telemedicine only made up about 2% of his practice.

I would hate you to be my patient if I were a doctor. This has happened so many times to other docs in the past 9 years you really have to learn to get over it.

You are making no sense in your posts
For starters you are one of the persons we restricted to no PM's for soliciting business for one of the OCS that used Dr. F. You said were not soliciting so we settled for no PM's...

Then you post your email that shows your company Web so people can contact you... we edit it out because we do not allow emails in posts... but when someone posts your info, which you yourself have posted, you complain they do...

You post it would be crazy for you company to do business with Dr. F and then you post about your phone calls to their associates like if you know them...

Since you mentioned your company... what services do you provide to the many sites you posted are discussed here and are your clients... and why are you so concened with this one you would not do business with?

Stevo, you know I like you, but for the life of me I cannot understand why you jump on the bandwagon of these scabs like Larsen, Friedlander, etc. You say they are kind and compassionate only because they give you what you want!!!! Ted Bundy was a nice guy, too, but a sociopath.

Why on earth would you want to be treated by people that have had run-ins with the law? Doesn't that raise any red flags?

You lauded St. Chris and Skyla, too, and look where everyone is at now. Rather than defend these folks (since no one knows what is really going on), let's just let this play out and Dr. F, et al, can SHOW everyone they are on the up and up.

Talk is so cheap, especially second and third hand.... I am saying this to you with love.

BTW--EVERYTHING IS GREAT HERE AT "ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE"! For a $50 MO you will receive 2 VERY FUNNY jokes OVER THE PHONE (laughter is the best form of medicine, after all)! Our site is down right now, but look for it shortly.