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#887167 - 05/16/09 12:26 AM Is "pentazocine/Talwin tabs" available w/o Naloxone?
Ludes_Vet Offline
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Most pentazocine fifty milligram tabs are available by prescription "without naloxone" everywhere except the USA.
(18 countries) as "Talwin/Fortral/Sosegon"...Does the Canadian formulation in either 50 or 25 mg. tabs contain naloxone?
(I understand a prescription would be needed). I thank you in advance!

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#889117 - 05/23/09 11:25 AM Re: Is "pentazocine/Talwin tabs" available w/o Naloxone? [Re: Ludes_Vet]
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I am sure you already know all this but since nobody else has jumped in rxvogue (formerly excellent) is still answering emails and offering Talwin (Pentazocine - no Naloxone) :
Talwin 50mg - generic 10 tabs

by KRKA $25.00

but now has a 200usd minimum and if you try to talk him down from that idiocy he doesn't respond.

other than the unobtainable costa rica source I can't think of any source.

Heaven only knows how Canada dispenses it's talwin.

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#889212 - 05/23/09 09:35 PM Re: Is "pentazocine/Talwin tabs" available w/o Naloxone? [Re: youshoiz]
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talwin included naloxen because addicts were abusing talwin with antihistimine--T.s and Blues were popular in new orleans they provided a sort of cheap herion efect--definatly a blast from the past


Edited by travelman (05/23/09 09:35 PM)

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#889623 - 05/26/09 11:39 AM Re: Is "pentazocine/Talwin tabs" available w/o Naloxone? [Re: travelman]
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 Originally Posted By: travelman
talwin included naloxen because addicts were abusing talwin with antihistimine--T.s and Blues were popular in new orleans they provided a sort of cheap herion efect--definatly a blast from the past


This takes me back when...Talwin in 1970 was readily available in East Texas in IM form and I will leave it to your imgination how a pack of young hippies whose philosophy was a little left of whoppie would choose to use it. Anyway I never did know what blues were. I thought they came in a 2 part compund, one side being blue, and was widely injected. I know it was a depresant (barbituate) type chemical. Would lay you flat out, but dosage came from a friend that was a heavy user of Desoxyn, and I don't mean a little. He deceased at the age of 17 from exactly that.

I was curious after all these years, and certainly don't want any, even if they still make it, what Blues were/was?

Kids were known back then to write their own scripts and soak 10 desoxyn and filter through cotton and inject. Good lord there were some really crazy times!

Speaking of blasts from the past.

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#889905 - 05/27/09 12:28 PM Re: Is "pentazocine/Talwin tabs" available w/o Naloxone? [Re: youshoiz]
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The is a drug called Talacen (pentazocine/acetaminophen) that is still available in the USA. There is no naloxone in it.

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#890029 - 05/27/09 07:04 PM Re: Is "pentazocine/Talwin tabs" available w/o Naloxone? [Re: tem33]
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I had read that it was still prescribed (didn't say in what compound form) but really frowned on by most Doctors due to the negative side effects. In particular hallucinations. Maybe others but that stood out.

After reading that I flushed all 30 I had gotten from our main infamous squeeze Herr Professor Doctor Habeeb of Costa Rica.

Taught me the valuable lesson to read before you order. Yes this was a while back!

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#890039 - 05/27/09 07:25 PM Re: Is "pentazocine/Talwin tabs" available w/o Naloxone? [Re: youshoiz]
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Pentazocine also increases cardiac work, so unlike many other opioids, cannot be given for heart attack.

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#894165 - 06/08/09 10:29 PM Re: Is "pentazocine/Talwin tabs" available w/o Naloxone? [Re: youshoiz]
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Youshoiz,
Regarding your questions about the "T's & Blue's" recreational abuse in the 1970's and early 1980's in the
USA, (which led to the reformulation of USA Talwin 50 mg.
to harpoon the escalating street abuse....adding Naloxone
in 1983)................"the blues" were a name brand in
the USA, patented by Geigy Pharmaceuticals as "PBZ" in a
25 mg. (light blue scored tablet) and a 50 mg. tablet. They
were so widely prescribed in the 70's & 80's that the USA
pharmacies, ordered the bottles in 100 count and 1,000 count
jars, as well, as in one pint (473ml) "Elixir" formulations.
I haven't seen this med in many, many years, and it is not
listed in the USA 2007 or USA 2009 PDR's, but the 2002 edition
of the Martindale Complete drug Reference, covering around
35 to 40 countries says antihistamine "Tripelennamine HCI" was
only available by 2002 in 5 remaining countries, of the
industrialized world: (Australia, Finland, Germany, & Spain,
and the USA. It had been withdrawn between 1999 and 2001 from these countries: Canada "Vaginex" "Pyribenzamine" Netherlands
"Azaron" and the USA as "Pelamine", but was still available in the USA as "PBZ" seven years ago. It appears headed for extinction, (if not already)...........

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#897588 - 06/17/09 07:50 PM Re: Is "pentazocine/Talwin tabs" available w/o Naloxone? [Re: Ludes_Vet]
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I have discovered and verified from the Canadian manufacturer of "Talwin" (Sanofi-Aventis of Canada) that the 50 mg. size of Pentazocine hydrochloride is "pure pentazocine" and does not have the Naloxone added to the formula, like in the USA! If I obtain a USA prescription for the pure Talwin 50 mg., does anyone know if any IOP's located in Canada, will honor the USA presciption, and mail it back to me in the USA? (I understand most Canadian IOP's require a prescription for all controlled substances......Talwin is a C-IV in the USA. or, if I obtain a USA prescription, would a pharmacy in Toronto, Canada fill the prescription, or would I have to see a local Canadian M.D. to get the script "re-written", such as a weekend visit, (in person,,,ie short vacation)?

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