This is actually the free site that I was talking about for Gerald.

It's poorly constructed, but this is a well-known email source that tried to put a website up in short order.

I don't want my DB identity and my RL info from Gerald linked, so I am not taking any offers for discounts on his meds. I think that's why we saw a couple of shills trying to advertise for him. I can guarantee Gerald is a good guy and communicates better than the TJ vendors do.

I used the TJ vendors for meds until I was burned once and then when the HATE - I mean Haight- Act went into effect, was desperate to find another source.

All I can say here is there is 0% chance of seizure on the Somas. Naturally I only order those and other things like Provigil which he carries at a cheaper price than most other vendors. All of his meds so far have been real.

Again, let me stress I have no reward for posting this, will probably be slammed, but wanted to make the DB community aware that, although rare, there are good free-website/email sources out there where meds can be obtained cheaply. If you're considering the TJ/San Ysidro vendors, I'd say this is at least worth a couple of emails to check his story out. I'll personally vouch for his service, for what that's worth.

I hate shills as much as the next guy, and I originally was not going to post here, but did not want "Orange Custard" or whatever to ruin Gerald's name by his lame attempt at shilling. Gerald is one of the few we can actually trust.

Hope that helps. Any questions email him, but if it's something I have experience with I'll be around to post if I see questions posted here.

Take care all,

---J

thanks for the posts. I wonder if he sub-contracts his benzo sales to another OP.

xxx SWIM posts are not allowed xxx

Sorry for the SWIM thing. Thanks for the gentle correction, though I can't remember exactly what I wrote.

To the best of my knowledge based on my order experience, it depends on what you order. Some come domestic, others come from overseas, so, keeping in mind that my guess is as good as yours, he probably works with other vendors to expand a pricelist and offer a wider variety of meds. I know at one point his price list was extremely limited and then new things began popping up. At that point, I sampled one of the new things. I got 2 packs - one from close by, and one from far away, if that makes sense. So it would appear it is not just one person, or that it is one person coordinating a complex network. I really don't care. All I care about is that he delivers exactly what I order and it does not matter to me where it comes from as long as he gets it here.

Again, I do not want my DB name to be known to Gerald, and in case he somehow gets busted I don't want my DB posts to be tracked, so whatever small deal he may be offering to tarts like Custard is not worth it to me. I would rather maintain my independence. He's not the first vendor to offer that. Wasn't it Natalie from StartMeds that did that a while back? I told her to...well you don't want to know exactly what I told her. All I know, and advise other DB members to do for your own safety, is to give honest reviews based on your own experiences and don't be roped in by any promises. We are here for each other and to protect against dirty scammers of all sorts.

This guy, at least for now, in my opinion, can be trusted to deliver what he says he delivers. However, as it says in the forum, enter at your own risk!

---J

these two are the same

http://scpconsulting.blogspot.com/
http://www.strongmedsfastandcheap.tk/

Good eyes, OPPuNOme, I noticed that too and asked if someone was spoofing him and if he was aware. He said no, his page was tagged as spam by Blogspot's filters so he had to abandon that and get himself a more proper website. Apparently he wants to get a .com or a .net because .tk is pretty obscure. Kind of like .fm or .edu (well, edu is more well-known, but you get my drift). He says he is hiring someone from Panama or something to get offshore anonymity. He likes to talk a lot, I just listen and maintain my rapport; Gerald seems gregarious but I do not want to see his bad side if he has one. He said he would kill the guy that was spoofing but then he said 'just kidding, lol'. Maybe that's a dark sense of humor, but it's a little spooky when you don't know someone that well. I just want my censord meds!

That's the way it was explained to me, anyway. I'd be careful either way. The real Gerald is at the .tk website; it looks like the Blogspot may have been taken over or stolen by a spammer. I can't quite tell, nor do I care.

---J

Why would you say such a thing?
The obvious reasoning is that for now they look like crooks...
The site is just registered, we know nothing about them except that the guy created multiple account to Shill for this site and the other that is obviously the same, to me they look more like the crooks from farmaciarapida.net than anything worth depositing our trust in...

Also note that this site just made it online so nobody can have much experience with them...

anyone else have any experience with this guy(s)???

Yes, complete scam. I'm almost embarrased to admit that I tried to order and got taken. Promised tracking# and next day delivery. No tracking# no delivery. Emailed him, said there was delay, but would send tracking for next day delivery. No tracking, no delivery. And now, no more email responses. Nuf said??

'
I have been told that everyone needs to go to http://www.scpconsulting.blogspot.com and read it before ordering from here.' PS: Don't blame the messinger....

i am stilll sooo confused as to what the heck i going on here??

I have to chime in here because I feel a little responsible for bringing the site up to DB.com, and I found it while browsing/searching for a replacement for who I was using at the time. The name just seemed familiar to something I'd had success with in the past. And I actually turned out to be correct, but there is a tragic twist - read on to find out. Other people are aware too, I'm just the first to speak out; this all just came out tonight as it was discovered.

I found out what's going on, because the website's owner is answering emails. He asked if he could come on and explain himself, because he deals with benzos from India, and is asking what it take to get listed on the IOP section because he is actually an IOP from what I understand, but uses the HTF meds as a lead-in, apparently they are available but it is kind of like when Raj from IM4U had hydros except these have been found to be real and not the atropine-filled 'vikodin' or whatever. It is my fault for putting him in the wrong spot I think. This section is new, and there have been changes to DB since I was last here, because you used to not ne anle to talk about t at all. Admin, I just told him to contact you and gave him your email because I could not help with that, and honestly I want to stay out of it.

What happened is a scammer set up shop at a very similar email addy to the real email addy. This has happened to so many suppliers than I care to count...it even happens to major banks that issue Visa cards, so I don't necessarily blame the guy.

Here's the deal, as best as I can understand it. The email addy seems a little risque (i.e., 'dirty') but he explains that it has to do with being a horse breeder and the cu m is like cubic meters or cc's or something and when you scrunch the words together, it sounds funny but he kept it on a lark and it kind of stuck.

Bottom line: there is stallioncum@hush.com and stallioncum@hushmail.com . Gerald is the proprietor of the website, and he put his email clearly on the website as stallioncum@hush.com. However, hushmail lets you register emails like 'hushmail.me' 'hushmail.com' 'hush.com' and I think even country-specific ones like 'hush.us'. So one of the TJ crooks that Admin refers to that sent a bunch of shills here registered the stallioncum@hushmail.com after Gerald's website got published. A lot of people were fooled (it is an easy mistake to make) and accidentally typed in 'hushmail.com' and the crook badly impersonated Gerald and used his reputation to get people to order. The real Gerald speaks fluent English; the Gerald at the fake addy speaks bad English and actually identified himself as 'Cesar' so he dropped any pretense of being Gerald, just said he was Gerald's new employee or something. So here is the warning:


*****WARNING!!! DO NOT SEND ANY EMAILS, ORDERS OR ANYTHING AT ALL TO STALLIONCUM@HUSHMAIL.COM - YOU WILL GET SCAMMED!! FOR SURE, 100%!!!****

As far as stallioncum@hush.com, I'll let Gerald's reputation speak for itself. Like I said, I never had a problem. This is an at-your-own-risk forum, so always keep that in mind, as Admin reminds us. Just make sure to NOT email the HUSHMAIL address or you WILL get SCAMMED and LOSE your money!!!

If i find anything more out, I will post. If anyone else has anything to add, or if you think I got it wrong, let me know and I will check. Howeer, Gerald is answering his emails so anyone can email him if they want and get it right from the 'horse's mouth', so to speak!

Hope that helps. I sincerely am sorry to those who got scammed, but when dealing with successful websites, you really have to be careful for spoofs and emails that look close. That goes for meds or anything at all - even Amazon.com gets spoofed, someone types Amazzon.com by mistake, and there is probably a site there that looks and acts exactly like amazon, but is a ripoff. I'm sorry guys, but you got a hold of the wrong person. Be really careful, there are so many different kinds of scams, and piggybacking is another one. Risky proposition overall.

---J

Please disregard the above review. It was meant for someone who is NOT the subject of this thread. This just came to my attention yesterday, and I unfairly criticized this website. My apologies to the real website proprietor.

Thanks for sharing the story and the followup Presto77, and I am really sorry for what happened to you. You don't have to be embarrassed, many of us are desperately in pain ever since the ROPs shut down and are willing to take large risks just to get some relief. It is a symptom of the nature of the pain and the condition you suffer, not anything to do with your intelligence, which I'm sure like most here you have plenty of. We all take risks; sometimes they pay off and sometimes they don't, but please don't feel bad. I feel bad in a sense too, because I put up what I feel is a good web source, but I underestimated the speed at which the TJ/SY crooks could set up shop. I guess that's why they call it 'organized' crime, huh?

To be fair to the website's original proprietor, as you say, Presto, he is a very good and honest man, and is completely unconnected to the SY people. He is not even in the state of California.

I guess he is aware of all the changes because he has posted updates on the http://www.strongmedsfastandcheap.tk/ website. It looks like he put up his IOP information and the website put up a big warning in block letters, then lists the meds he has available through IOP, mostly benzos. That's actually where I know Gerald from originally, to tell the truth. is via overseas ordering. To the best of my knowledge, he is not in the USA (or Mexico) so nobody should send any funds there at all.

Hope that helps. I don't mean to harp on it, just feel a responsibility to point out corrections and to warn others on how to avoid a scam while not unfairly lumping Gerald (the real site proprietor) in with something he had nothing to do with.

Take care all, and have a pain and anxiety-free day.


---J

I actually did just that yesterday and it bounced back. I then looked at the site again and realized my mistake, so the hushmail addy doesn't seem to be registered anymore

Luckily, the other email acct, the stallionxxx @ hushmailxcom has probably been suspended, since after I heard the scam stories I reported it and imagine that others did too, making sure not to mention the real address in the report. Hopefully this doesn't reflect badly on the real SMFP/SCP and Gerald, at stallionxxx @ hushxcom.

Yesterday I received tracking for an order placed last Thursday for items on the overseas menu. Also have already received other items ordered on the same day. This was before any of this phishing email stuff went down, but all of my mails got to the right place.

Ordered Thu Jul 9th
Rec'd Monday Jul 13th
2nd 1/2 of order still pending


Tiffy1, did you get a hold of anyone at the correct addy? I've had no trouble this whole time. I have a Hushmail addy, though.

Hope this helps anyone else that has outstanding orders - as long as you didn't send $ to Mexico, you should be OK. Also, I have heard that the website received emails from those without secure email addys giving mailing addresses in CA, AZ, and TX for orders that had sent payment and asked to be held at hubs or sent to different addresses SO he will no longer change shipping addresses once your order is confirmed because those packs were destined for regular customers and it sounds like the scummers got meds too by posing as the real customers. That is what I heard as of yesterday, sent from the website when I sent thank-you for 1st part of order and inquiring about a re-order on certain items. I have not re-ordered yet because the item I wanted is temporarily out of stock.

Does anyone know how organized the San Ysidro sites are? I notice many of them have the same website template. That means they must have the same web person writing for them, or did they d/l a generic template? I'm asking only because of Presto77's experience, the guy that set up the phishing email and intercepted legit emails, does that mean that he was some hacker/phisher that got the info of anyone who sent to the wrong email address for orders, who just happened to be from TJ? I'm not concerned for myself since I just hit the reply button and make sure the right email address is in there every single time, just to be safe, so I did not ever email the other phishing address.

I hope that we hear no more reports about scamming associated with this site, because the real proprietor, as Presto77 says, is very honest and I received from him. I know I am not the only one who has received, either. People who have had good experiences should share too instead of just PMing I think, that way we all have the best and latest information and not just speculation. I do have to be honest, I was a little frightened to post that I received, but think others on the board who may have orders out probably would appreciate having some peace of mind about any orders they have still pending.

---J

Excuse my exceptisism but all these stories about sites and emails being taken over and scammers using the good name of others... just does no make any sense...
This is a new site...
Too many stories for a new site
If a new site already has to make up excuses like "It was not me"... I can only say this is a very good reason not to send this people any money...

Where do this people ship from or ask monies to be sent to? I see you mentioned in the Canadian forum that they ship from within Canada... this again makes very little sense...

The way I see it... these people only get top ratings for the stories they come up with...

LOL, I know - some of these guys should get an Academy Award for the scamming stories they come up with.

The website is new, but I have used the source before. To clarify, what I meant is that this OP can ship to Canada as well as the USA, has drop-shipping in both countries (AFAIK). The only reason I did not just abandon the whole idea of ordering at the first sign of problems is because a) I had already sent $ and b) he had a very good rep from his previous website, (mainly the 'a' reason). As Presto77 can clarify, someone set up a phishing email to skim his customers and getting them to email the wrong addy by mistake because the emails are so similar.

I am not often amongst the first to 'take the plunge', I usually wait for someone else, so I figured it was my turn to check a place out, especially since I heard of the name before, found the new website, and was apparently the first to post it here. I requested the fast shipping, so that's why I was able to get my order so fast. It has been a couple weeks since I asked if anyone had experience, and has been about a week since my order, so I have had long enough to receive at least one half of the order. I do not want to comment too much further until I receive second half, then I will have more details to share.

From what I understand, it is an IOP that can offer drop-shipping (on some items), similar to how the old ImportedDrugs site worked. We are talking back in 2003 or so, around when I first registered. They would take your order from Canada or India or where ever, and then would ship from NYC, so they would take care of Customs importing for you. To the best of my understanding, that is what this is, though I do not ask too many questions about what happens behind the scenes because I do not want to lose the good source by making him think I am LE, wondering why I need to know so much, especially once meds have already been received (well, one half anyway).

I hope that helps to clear things up. I don't know all the details to be honest. I don't know why someone picked this source to scam, but I do know this has happened to other sources before. It would be like if I wanted to scam people and registered/bought the domain 'www.doctorsscripts.com' when it is really 'www.doctorscripts.com'. I have used DoctorScripts before and they were *fantastic* (and have VIP discounts, etc.). However, if I accidentally put in DoctorsScripts, and posted they were a scam, I would be wrong because I did not reach who I was supposed to. That's the best way I can describe in an example what happened as I understand it.


∙----J

*edit* p.s., still have not rec'd 2nd half of order yet, but have tracking and it looks like it is only a day or 2 away.

Who were they before?
If you are going to bring up their good prior reputation why not say who they were?

It is pretty obvious that this site is the same as Scpconsults... and about them you posted

Why would you expect to be scammed if they have been so good to you in the past or why would you order thinking you are going to get scammed?


To me they look like farmaciarapida.net and other sites hosted for free on .nr and .tk sites that were all very good at making stories



I do not do that!


Sorry but I think these two sites are shady, it is strange that you ordered from both, to say the least, ad to that the excuses of "it was not me", and that it is rather strange that you do not post for two years and then bring us great news about two unknown sites that had been great under another unknown name... and ask a lot of questions about OCS's when you seem to be in Canada...

We certainly think people need more reviews before parting with hteir monies...

Admin - I think you took the wrong part of the quote. I put So I didn't say that you said don't email the Hushmail...I said you remind us that this is an at-your-own-risk forum, so enter at your own risk. Sorry if I confused you.


As for the other quote, I 'fully expected to be scammed' because I didn't think SCPConsults actually had a website, I thought they were email only, which is why I have never discussed them, and used at my own risk and discretion and always make very small orders. But scammers sometimes take well-known sources and put up temporary websites to scam people. So I recognized the name "SCPConsults" from another context, but I expected to be scammed because I thought someone had set up a website that was not Gerald. When I submitted the order and found out it was Gerald, I was ecstatic, as he is fairly well-known around the internet. I was doing a search for a particular medication, and this website popped up. I had not used Gerald in a while because I stopped going to the forum where he was listed, then the forum was shut down, so I wound up falling out of contact. I used other suppliers. Then I see this new website come up in the results. I just remember 'Gerald's name, but did not remember he called himself SCPConsults because so many of the companies with letters sound the same like 'ABC meds' or AAA meds, or ABA Meds. So I remember people's names, like Chris from certain infamous ROPs. The SCPConsults rung a bell. When I finished my order, I was excited to have a reply from Gerald, because he has a characteristic way of speaking - very good English for an IOP, and that is rare - for me, only DestinyRX and one or two others had people that were very easy to understand. To sum up, I expected to be scammed because at the time I hadn't connected the dots. I fully stand behind Gerald now, and stand behind that company name now that I can correctly associate it with its correct proprietor, to borrow a phrase from Presto77. In fact, I don't know if he ever did, but I asked Gerald to email DB.com at the Admin address to see if he could get listed under IOP and out of the 'scammers' section, since I and others have received orders, and the person who was scammed has apologized for the mixup, which I explained before how it can easily happen. That's just my opinion, though, and I respect everyone's.

No, I did not make 2 orders, sorry if that was not clear. I had one order that was broken into two because it was fairly large and had different products. So there is only one company, they put up a website on Blogspot and that did not work because their Blog was immediately flagged as spam due to med names, so they bought a TK domain and got a proper website so it would not filter. That's the best I understand, anyway. Like I said before, I care about the domain stuff - you are more an expert at that than I am, so I look forward to your posts that do the 'whois' info, Admin, but in this case what I care about most is that my order (single one in 2 parts) was received ***Update - I still have not received as of today, is still waiting to clear Customs, trackig has shown it stuck there for a couple of days now**.

I agree with you, that there was some shady stuff going on there. Perhaps you found the farmaciarapida.net scammers, and that was Cesar - I think another poster in here can explain better than I can, as Presto77 says he interacted with the actual scammers, so I would be interested to hear more about that.

As for my personal life, firstly I have Anonymizer installed on my computer, so whereever the IP address is that they choose to route me through is one. I do this to safeguard my privacy on the internet, because as you can obviously tell, anyone has the capability to look and see where you are from. I am glad it is you, Admin, and not someone with bad intentions. However, you are right, I spend a lot of time in Canada on business, from where I post often, but I live most of the time in the USA, which is why I can use OCSs (or *could* before the Lyin' Hate Act passed). So yes, my Anonymizer is Canadian-based, but in reality I could be anywhere at any time. I think that is something that should be pointed out to the forum, as people should be aware of that. Thank you for pointing that out, even though what you posted made me feel a little personally uncomfortable, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you have the interests of your forum in mind and care nothing about my personal life. If you were to dig deeper into my posts and read, you may also see why I do not often spend a lot of time on the internet at all. But when I do, I enjoy comig to DB.com and catching up on the latest. Often I'll disappear for a while when I get busy and my ROP is running steady and I have a steady IOP that I use, but as you and everyone here knows, things change often so I often find myself drawn back here to check up on how things are doing--this most recent time, during a search for Hydrocodone (and another med) which brought me to the other site in another window and Drugbuyers in a separate window. As I understand it, the purpose of this forum is to share information and not just to lurk all the time, so I perhaps got too excited when running a site through the forum to get feedback while educating myself about all the changes in ROPs. So yes, the spotlight can be a little uncomfortable when it shines on me - I am just a chronic pain and anxiety patient, my history and illness is there for all to see, but that is my choice to reveal it, as I believe we, as a forum, acting together, have a lot of power and it is only by sharing our stories that we will be able to 1) change things, and 2) while we are waiting for and initiating change, to share the best information we can. I hope everyone looks through my posting history and evaluates the information I have provided, and its accuracy. I am glad I was able to pique your curiosity, Admin, and thank you for pointing out things that I may have missed about this site. I appreciate your diligence.

Again, my writing and English isn't always the best when I am here because I am often hurting, so I know I am not the easiest poster to follow. Again, my apologies, but in the quote(s) above, the sentence before was missing, and that's actually where I said what you say - to 'enter at your own risk'. I am sorry to anyone else who may have misunderstood - I thought I was being fairly clear there about what you said and then moving on to my opinion. If you read it as follows, it makes sense again:






Thanks again for your help, Admin. Have a great day, I know you have a lot of work to get to. Take care.


---J

Hello,

I just wanted to report that I did receive the 2nd half of my order, yesterday. They came in blisters, Indian generics of good quality. I ordered a small amount, but will definitely reorder.

Ordered Thursday July 9th
tracked the order, was in the US for a few days, awaiting Customs clearance
Received Saturday July 18th.

9 days, not too shabby, most of them spent in Customs. Arrived unmolested, intact, and good quality. Packed discreetly in small envelope. I will definitely use again. Tracking is a little ridiculous; it still showed up as in Customs when I received my order. Checked a little later on and all the tracking had been filled in. That's not unusual, from my experience; USPS tracking is pretty weak overall, and for EMS can be even weaker. I still like having tracking, though, because it lets me know that 1) something has been mailed, and when, and 2) gives me at least somewhat of an idea on when to expect. Sometimes it tracks better than others, but once it shows 'inbound out of customs' (LOL, I know, who came up with that? It shows 'inbound into customs', then a time, then 'inbound out of customs'; that's when I knew it had cleared, but I didn't expect it until Monday because it still showed package several states away).

Hopefully other DBers will post their experiences as well. It's a little uncomfortable being the only one, but I'm sure the 200 post requirement has something to do with that - in fact, I'm absolutely sure it does. Anyway, hope that helps.

p.s., anyone who hasn't tried Indian generics, the tabs are usually unmarked, but the blisters tell you what the med is, what strength, and what company made them. Quality can vary somewhat, but I've always had good experiences, and the meds tend to be the same no matter which company you order them from. I stay away from the loose tabs, at least with blisters, you have some way to identify what you're getting and to investigate the information on the blister packs.

------J

Does that mean the $ goes to India and they ship from there as well?

Actually, I did not send $ to India, but I didn't expect to either. As per the vendor's instructions, he does not like customers to put private payment info on the forums (he says payee info changes/rotates for security and to expect to deal with USA/Canada receivers in different areas, but it's definitely not to TJ, Chula Vista, San Ysidro, San Diego, or other border areas), but I will share with you what I can.

Apparently the vendor contracts with an Indian pharmacist to fill orders. Inside the envelope with the meds, you get an invoice with information from the Indian pharmacist (his name, pharmacy address, patient instructions, etc., written in English) plus what looks like an order from a doctor and addressed to Customs officials stating it's for patient's personal use and if the envelope was opened to please forward it to the patient so he can continue his treatment. Payments are routed to the vendor and he forwards your order to the pharmacist for fulfillment. I sent WU (went to use my CC and the link was broken, so I emailed and got instructions that way, because their CC processing was shut off due to the nature of products they offer, same as many IOPs). I was not too concerned because I have used a lot of IOPs through history and there are one or two that either 1) you sent $ abroad but rec'd from N. America or 2) you sent $ to N. America but rec'd from abroad.

The explanation that I got was that the pharmacist did not want to deal with accepting payments, just fulfilling orders, so payments are aggregated and sent to India from one single person (Gerald, the vendor).

Also, just to update the thread, I went to place a re-order for both IOP and domestic, and was told the domestic operation is temporarily suspended and to check back in a week, but I could place my order now for anything on the IOP list (Xan, K-pin, Phenterm., ED drugs, etc.) and would receive within 7-10 days, because that part of the business has been unaffected. I haven't sent $ for second order yet.

Apparently, he is trying to fix security issues so that the situation that happened to Presto77 and others never happens again. I am probably going to place an order now for the other products so I don't run out, then place a separate order once the domestic service re-starts.

Thanks,


------J

Amazing
Once again I am just impressed that after two years without posting you have so much to say about a vendor nobody knows anything about (that you and you only claims to have been in business for years)...


Without you posting about them they would go unnoticed and would look like an obvious scam... just like their sister site you also posted about here , just like similar copycat scams presented to us recently... now we are all confused...

To all. Our advise would be: DO NOT SEND MONIES TO THEM!!!

I am not confused. I would be willing to bet a steak dinner that jskream and "Gerald" are one and the same.

In the beginning, I thought jskream seemed honest in his intentions, then I read in one of the threads where someone posted a quote from "Gerald" taken from his blog. Comparing the witting styles, they seem pretty much identical IMO.

It's not everyday you see someone type a single "$" any time they are referring to cash instead of actually typing the word money, cash, payment, etc. Both jskream and "Gerald" type a dollar sign every time they refer to money in any form.

Yeah, just give it up, jskream. It's pretty f-in obvious you are 'Gerald'.
So you may have been a member on DB since 2003? All that means is that you've had quite a few years of reading how scamming people is a good moneymaker - and you want in on the game.

What did it for me was your ramblings (Gerald rambles a lot, too) about using your proxy server - just like Gerald once described his on his website.
Add to the fact that alongside the Oxycontin, IR oxycodone etc. they claim to sell, this site advertises 'exotic' benzos that you don't find anywhere else, e.g. flurazepam, oxazepam, Librium and Frisium, all at very enticing low prices.
It's got SCAM written all over this site.

Stick to to your other job measuring horse spunk!

Since my last post, I have received several PM's from people that cannot post in this forum telling me "Gerald" ripped them off.

Please stay far away and do not send your money to this fellow!!

Well I can can say quite a bit about this guy. If you recall, I was the one who tried ordering and got scammed by someone other than Gerald - since his website was either hacked, or my emails were intercepted. I got a PM from someone (not jskream), who told me that Gerald was legit and to try contacting him again.. Well I did, and what followed were about a week of emailing back and forth with Gerald. He had me set up a 'Hushmail' address, to try and solve the 'hacker' problems. He led me on all week about how great his business was, and about how I would never have to deal with the 'TJ scammers' again.

After my "Hushmail' account was setup he told me to send him my order, and that he would send payment info on a certain day. Well, he didn't get back to me with payment info. I sent a couple of more emails to him, and he finally responded, saying that I seemed very 'cavelier', and that I needed to be patient. His emails were always like essays (hundreds of words), though he always insisted that he didn't have time for emails.

After putting ME on the defensive, he finally agreed to do a small test order (like 5 pills). I said, "fine, let's do it". Well, I never heard back from him.

Bottom line. He didn't ask me for money, so I wasn't scammed. But this guy is a total weirdo - he doesn't have what he says he has. He's apparently looking for a certain profile of individual; probably one who doesn't ask any questions. I've written him off. You can take this experience for what it's worth...

P.S. I PMed the person (on this board) who recommended him, and was told that Gerald used to be reliable, but no more, and that he'd NEVER EVER use him again. Also, Gerlad told me that the proprietor of THIS forum (one 'Alex"), is trying to undercut his business, and disparage him. Yet he (earlier) asked me to post all my 'positive' experiences with him on DB. This guy is mixed up and WAY paranoid!

I am still getting more PM's from people this person has ripped off. To those people sending me PM's please let me know any and all info you have on "Gerald" so I can post it here and help people avoid losing money.

Any info would be great. Method of payment, names of who you sent payment to, and their location etc would be a good start.

Thank you for helping.

Please do not send money to Mark Moran in Langley Canada or Mark Moreau in Surrey Canada