I'm expecting a delivery soon, and I have never seen or taken this exact medication. Can someone please describe the size/shape/color/markings I should look for? Any info you have would be greatly appreciated!

Should be round, yellow in color, a score on one side with no markings. And very good

Ahhh, the famous Bananakins! They are foil packed 10 packs made by Torrent pharmacueticals. On the package they simply say "Clonotril-2" These are sublingual (dissolve under the tongue Klonopins 2mg usually) and Very good quality. The pills themselves are yellow with a single score in the middle and no markings. Hope this helps.


Insomniac:)

P.S. They also really DO taste like bananas! Yet be careful with them, they are potent:)

Thank you both very much!

You're welcome:)

Insomniac

These are my next investment. Can you please post the link of pm me so I can try them'!

THey came thru today, 50% smashed into a powder. Any suggestions on what I can do with the powder??

And plumboy, I don't know that I would reccomend this IOP considering half my order was powder. Just search colontril-2. You are bound to find someone who offers em.

Hi Kimberly,

I would sprinkle it on top of some banana bread. LOL

Kidding of course, glad you received.

Seriously though,,.. What should I do with the powder? Any suggestions?? I did put the powder under my tounge and it dissolved REALLY quick. If anyone has come across this problem before I would love to find some suggestions on how to use these to get as good use of these as possible in the state they are.. thanks for your help!!

weigh a full pill on a digital mail scale (you can get one for $15). then weigh out the same amount of powder from the crushed ones.

(if they are in blisters, then you dont need the scale)

Do you think that because they dissolve so much more quickly that it would affect the absorbtion??

in regards to working faster and feeling a bit stronger, yes... probably.

but not that much IMHO.

It is kind of a bummer that half of them are smashed but these are sublingual tabs. As long as the foils are intact, you can just take the powder the same as you would the pill. These are very fast acting benzos and have a long half life. Hope this helps,

Insomniac

This is just nuts. I was gonna add a thread about the said meds. I recived a parcel today containing excactly what insomniac explained. I have a massive tolerance to valium 6x10mg daily. i actually put two pills in a cup of water, will this still be effective? I have"nt took my valium yet just the clons. Will 2 x 2mg pills be effective enough considering my vals doseage? I took the meds about an hr ago and can slightly feel the euphoric feel you get with the vals , will i feel it more or is 2 pills just not enough. Sorry about all the q"s but would love to know what to expect sleep wise,and keeping the anx at bay. much appreciated.

4mg clonazepam is probably going to increase your tolerance to benzodiazepines even more. The benzo.org site states that 0.5mg clonazepam is equivalent to 10mg diazepam; in other words it's 20 times as potent. So you'd be taking the equivalent of 80mg diazepam with 2 of these 2mg clonazepam pills, all at once. Why not split them and take them in quarters? At least you can then evaluate their strength without going way over the top. (Other sources regarding benzodiazepine equivalences may vary.)

Clonazepam 2mg is not a suitable dose for anxiety. It is for some forms of epilepsy where tolerance is accepted.

If you get on these clonazepam pills, imagine how you'd feel when you return to 60mg diazepam per day and it does nothing? Clonazepam is a very potent drug, to be taken seriously, because the AUC is huge compared to other benzos.

Hey nephro. I have a question.

Do you have some sort of benzo scale that I am not pervy too??
This last shipment of Colontril-2 didn't do much for me. See, it was the first time I have ever taken em, usually I take 1mg xanax. It took quite awhile for me to feel anything off the banakins, and when I did, it was a mellow feeling. I'm used to the sedative effects of the xanax.

Is there some sort of chart on benzos? If so could you copy and paste it here or give us the link?

IMO for being benzos, there is quite a difference between em!!

I was kind of hoping you were; it could have been fun. However:

http://www.benzo.org.uk/

is the most frequently used I'd say.

It is difficult to equate clonazepam to alprazolam due to the very different onset and duration of the drugs, but they are both very potent. A lot of people on alprazolam have difficulty converting to another for this reason.

They are taking the total effect, over whatever period of time the drug lasts for (the AUC), and they consider the total amount of effect of clonazepam and alprazolam to be approximately equal, but it would be like taking alprazolam in small amounts over the period of time that clonazepam acts.

Thanks Nephro for replying , i think because i put them in a glass of water i missed out on the full effect . I have only 30 left so will put them away in case i can"t get my vals for some reason. BTW Nephro ( pretty Fick" me) what does Auc mean.. is it some sort of comparison table. Thanks again for your advice/answer.

Sorry nephro, potent as in strong sedative effect , or potent as in quick tolerance build up ? thankyou.

The effects of Xanax and clonazepam are indeed quite different. Clonazepam has a much more subtle effect, and I believe this is the reason that many people say that the clons they received are weak.

I am used to xanax, and I agree that clonzepam does not compare as far as sedative effects go. I had to take 2 or 3 2mg clonazepam to really feel any effects at all. I found a comparison chart for benzos posted below. I couldn't get the colums to stay uniform, so I just posted the link for those interested... Thanks for the answer Nephro! I'll stick with xanax from now on, despite the yummy taste of the Colontril-2. If I ever decide that I need something that doesn't pack such a punch I'd reccommend the banakins to anyone.

Here's the link

http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/bzd.html

Oh, and Nephro... LMAO!!! That was great!

Thanks for the link kimberly555 , will try and copy for future ref.

Yes indeed I've used the Dr-Bob tables before.

Clonazepam is both strong in receptor-binding and strong as in tolerance build-up. There is no way to avoid this tolerance apart from using the drug infrequently.

AUC is Area Under the Curve. Imagine a very steep but short hill that you have to climb and slide down the other side. Then imagine a much less steep hill, but a lot longer, which you have to climb and walk down again.

Although the steeper hill will tire you out quicker, the shallow hill takes longer, and you've in fact used the same energy.

If you measured the area of the hill profile from the side, they have the same area, even though they are different in shape. When viewed from the side, the steep hill would be tall and thin; the shallow hill short but wide.

Alprazolam would be the steep hill; clonazepam the shallow hill.

The curve in the case of drug effect would be a graph of effect against time. Alprazolam has a fast onset and fast offset. Clonazepam has a slow onset and a slow offset.

It is generally the drugs which leave your body quickly and have a short offset, that 'switch off' quickly, that are harder to withdraw from, and probably more addictive in the first place because you are left wanting more in a few hours.

Now the 'hill' for diazepam is steep to climb, but much less steep to walk down again, even less steep than clonazepam if taken regularly, which makes it a more sensible drug to use for a 2-week course, for example. At the end of the 2 weeks, the metabolites on diazepam linger around and you don't get that sudden feeling of "I need a pill!" compared to alprazolam.

That's not to say it doesn't have a bad withdrawal if ceased suddenly - it certainly does - but not as horrendous as alprazolam, and it is easier to taper.

Update... took 2x 2mg clonotril about 45 mins ago. This time under the tongue. I can tell you i was nearly falling asleep at my pc! my post from last night stated i had dropped 2 pills in a glass of water and only felt it slightly . Well tonight certainly taught me a lesson about these 2mg pills. Do not under-estimate . Will go back to my usual dose of diazepam tomorrow night and will now be putting away 28 clonotril for emergencies. thanks all for your input, all been very informative . good night all.

I'm not surprised you fell asleep. sublingual administration of some meds is probably the closest you'll get to injection without injecting.

thistime and kimberly, wehre did you guys order these clonotrils at?
thanks

Yes, taking benzos sublingulally is definatley the best roa imo. And as far as where I obtained the Colontril-2, please look at my previous post list, I can not recall the name of the company off of the top of my head. I requested a sample from an IOP that is on my post list, and they sent me a 10 strip for free. The only downside was that it took about 20 days, and 5 of the 10 were crushed. But CS did assure me that if that were to happen with an order I actually purchased, that they would reship pills to compensate for the crushed ones. Sorry I can't think of the IOP off the top of my head, but I hope I was able to help.

Now I recall.. it was pharmaoffshore.com. They have a thread on DB, feel free to check em out, and you can request samples, however, it may take awhile to get a response. I only got a response after a fellow DB'er referred the lady who runs CS to me and told her I was interested in trying xanax and colonopin. Both were good quality btw. I just prefer xanax to the bananakins, because of the inital feeling when you take them, and I have a less expensive IOP that has done good by me so far.

The numbers refer to the amount of clonazepam in the drug. 1mg is a very high dose; 2mg is ridiculous.

2mg of clonazepam isnt rediculous

Yes, taken on a regular basis, the 2mg dosage unit of clonazepam is "rediculous."
Benzodiazepines have accounted for the vast majority of prescription drug emergency room sedative/hypnotic overdoses and clonazepam is in the top two among the medications involved.
Aside from the marketing push of the manufacturers, there is very little clinical need for a dose this size when it is used for relatively brief periods of time. Which is the intended use for which it was approved.

Martin, He has been posting ridiculous comments all over the board. Will end up getting himself banned instead if hitting the 200 mark.