Yes, they are equally potent.

Did you tried Sulphate ? thanks.

No, Ive only tried the phosphate

I tried Codeine sulphate by Wilson. The same effect but phosphate is my option. It is more soluble.

Placed my new DHC order today.

Anyone tried DHC from Vogue lately ?

I think Talwin is the right choice...

I have not had any experience with this vendor and I do not know what Talwin is either. I have lower back pain constantly and I have found DHC to work very well. I have only had 30 mg DHC and it has done a very good job at that dosage for me and even if I take 2 over a few hours if the first one does not give me the relief I am looking for I have found it to work very well and it does not make me feel loopy. I have also had good experience with tylenol 3 which I think is 500mg of tylenol and 30 mg of codiene but the tylenol seems to aggravate my stomach. I like that the dhc has no tylenol and it does not bother my stomach in any way.

Hope that helps. Everyone has different experience and reactions with medications though but I have found any type of codeine to work well for my back and knee pain.

That's right. If you order Talwin, just ask for DHC samples. You'll see what's the best for your body.

I'm no expert here, but I've read threads where Nephro had showed something about how dihydrocodeine is basically along the same lines of potency as codeine? Am I wrong here? Call me on it if so. Just thought this might be worth considering if you're considering Talwin versus DHC for your back. I wish you well in finding the best relief you can get.

As for me, I found that a codeine or derivative worked better than Talwin (especially at Vogue's prices) for my knee, though a knee is hardly a back!

Best of luck in your search.

EDIT: Oh yeah... And I do agree, just avoid the APAP containing products if you're looking for management. Your liver is your friend. I won't even get into the motivations behind combining APAP with these other medications. Grr! :P

@rollerman As far as I know it, Talwin is quite a potent analgesic. Very often it is combined with naloxone (like subuxone or methadone). As for what it is commonly used for, I've not really heard of its use at all in the States. Others could speak for over the pond.

As of note, what Vogue offers is a smaller dose not containing naloxone. If you're asking about Talwin, I assume perhaps you're also unfamiliar with naloxone, so I'll briefly describe that. It's an opiate antagonist. That means it negates the drugs in the system of the patient, and if they are a chronic user (whether they be a heroin abuser or someone on a pain management schedule) it will send them right into withdrawls. Funny story from a paramedic friend about picking up a fellow who OD'd on heroine and giving him naloxone ... He wasn't a happy camper. But at least he was a living camper.

Hope this is useful, even though it totally has nothing to do with DHC, though it does with Vogue since they sell it. Sorry if I posted too off topic, admins.

You might want to be very careful using Talwin together with other opioids. Forgetting about any combination with naloxone, Talwin is itself a mixed agonist/antagonist. Regular opiate users are warned not to use Talwin in close proximity.
You've probably heard about what happens when Suboxone or Subutex is used before opiate withdrawals have begun.
You're very likely to suffer the same results with Talwin although if taken PO the withdrawals might be somewhat less violent.
Does the web site you're buying this from warn you about these potential negative side effects?

Yes I think he was answering my question about DHC. I think if I remember correctly the consensus is that DHC is about 1.5 times stronger than regular codeine and is a synthetic product. I am not 100% on that though. I know it works well.

I have noticed from past threads and conversations that there are some who like regular codeine (phosphate or sulphate) but do not like dhc and some who like dhc but not regular codeine.

I guess I am lucky that I find relief from both. And I agree that too much APAP is just not good for you plus it really agitates my stomach.

Thank you, I never heard of that product and appreciate the information. Does not sound like a product I would want to consume. I hope the OP is aware of the products possible side effects that you and Martind have pointed out.

Thank you very much, martind, for the clarification. I completely forgot that it itself was a mixed agonist/antagonist. Very good advice if you're currently on a schedule containing opiates.

I'm sure the site says nothing of the sort. There's a generic "take the medicine as indicated" note somewhere, but hardly anything to indicate the potential of something like Talwin. Thanks again for stepping in and clearing up a potentially negative situation!

@rollerman Ah! I see. I've not enough experience to really tell, though both products did help me to recover from my knee injury. I guess perhaps most of note is that it is synthetic, versus something like codeine? And also, I don't think I've ever seen a DHC/APAP product, whereas there are tons of codeine/APAP products. My education continues.

You are both welcome. I just hope Mr. "ultravox" returns to read it before he hits the sudden withdrawal wall.

I can not get them to delever my order or give me a proper answer

I'm waiting for the third order from VogueRX. The first and second were perfect and I felt DHC Continus very potent as long as oxy is imposible to find these days...

I'm glad to hear that as I just placed an order that included #10 of those 90's.

Why you asked for 90mg strenght ? I just placed a order for 120mg DHC.

Thanks for the info !

It does seem it's the apocalypse of pain relief in America. I hope this board stays. Let's keep this thread about VogueRX. Anyways, I recieved my order and DHC CONTINUS pills are as good as the samples. No hydro, but they have alternatives which I think we should all be experimenting with and giving our opinions on how well they work. I am trying to change my hydro to DHC which isn't strong like hydro but helps various types of pain and seems to be alot easier to get. Not like hydro.

And the turnaround time must be longer.

Is it dangerous if I take it without Naloxone ? I can't find Talwin with Naloxone...Thank you !

Now I'm 2/2 with Vogue. Since DHC is time released wait awhile for them to kick in, before you post ! When I first got the 120's I thought they were possibly fake ,but then they kicked in - VERY STRONG - and lasted about 8 hours I even had a opioid hangover.

Now I'm used to them, but I like the 60's so I can control the amount I take in at once.

A. Taillon

http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?id=6851

A. Taillon

Thanks ! I found it with Naloxone somewhere.

Any update ? I've seen that they have a special offer now.

I usually take percs for my pain issues and you all know the side effects we have with them. I can say that I am truly impressed with the effectiveness of the DHC 120. It's really a great painkiller.