I figured this section of the forum might be the best place to ask. Has anyone used one of those urine flush products? They seem fake to me, but I'm not sure. It seems like just drinking alot of water would be the same thing. I currently take ephedra, which unfortunately will bring a false positive for amphetamine. Technically I can claim that I use Bronkaid, which will do the same thing and its OTC, but I'd rather not even let it get to that. I'm currently searching for work, so I don't know when the test might come, and I don't want to get off ephedra since it is really helping me.

Some test will tell you if there is too much water and that is a problem.

They will ask you anything you are taking, prescription or OTC. Something showing a "positive" is not a fail always. If you have a reason that is acceptable that something is showing up, the examiner will pass it. All the employer will know is you have a passed test.

But I will add...it depends on the job, test etc. DOT tests are known for being more strict for example.

Its a waste of time to try beating a test these days...
Test have become so sensitive and so cheap that simple urine test can reveal the "big-10" in 5 minutes for at least a month back.. A machine does the analysis now instead of a test strip.Its done in the office with results available in minutes.
ANY metabolite is detected.The different opiates are detected and listed. It also shows levels which mean how much or how often each drug was used.
one of my PM dr's office test everyone every visit and they can tell me if i took something that day, that hour, or 3 weeks ago by the trace amounts.

They dont need a strand of hair anymore. if you swallowed it, the proof will be in your bloodstream for the next month at least and in your liver for longer.

Well for the gov't, sometimes they just do a simple 5 panel urine.

More and more places are using hair tests and shaving your head, as a man doesn't help. I know a tester and she said if a person does that, they take a hair that hurts the most when pulled, lol.

lol....
I've heard that also...

I know all the refineries and chemical plants do hair at minimum for drug screen AND a DNA profile for security screening as well.

Well, I'm not looking for a government job. Are the hair/gas tests given by everyone these days? I was under the impression that most employers do a urine test for benzos/amphetamine/opiates/marijuana/cocaine.

There is no way to tell, that was my point. You would expect a gov't job to do a much more detailed test, but they don't always.

It just depends on the employer and the job. Some people only want the cheap 5 panel urine, but some are willing to pay more for a more detailed test.

Stacy,
The urine test done in my office is a 10 with breakdown of all opiates and all the other common items, and its so cheap that its given to everyone.That test goes at least a month back..

If a positive is disputed it only cost $50 to have it confirmed by an independent lab. test have evolved so much that they are cheap and easy.

Urine test used to be by test strip. Now they use a type of spectrograph like analyzer that reads the sample then prints out a detailed report in minutes.
I am sure that there are still some places that use older type test that are not as sensitive, but why would anyone gamble? a positive find can end a career and in some places be reported to employers, driver license, health insurance. The trouble never ends with a positive result. yet I know people that are stupid enough to think that if they smoked weed last weekend or did some coke that it won;t show up on a test this week. or people that know they have randon testing and do illegal drugs anyway. whatever "drug" that you're afraid of being found, why not go to a dr and get prescribed something similar thats effective and legit? the test does not matter if you have a prescription but some jobs will not allow ANY type of med or drug in their workplace. depends on the type of work and the insurance company requirements.

i remember one fool that got a positive for weed and he claimed that it must have been the poppy seed hamburger bun.....
people THAT stupid deserve to be fired!

i had to take a DOT test for an area manager position with a company. was done at labcorp, and sent off for GC/MS. what i found interesting is that LabCorp does DOT for ALL pre employment screens whether the employer asks for it or not.

god forbid i have a medication in my system while selling widgets, keeping track of the sales team, KPI's and an end of month P&L report for my locations.

funnily enough, i almost took a job that i had to have access to one of the highest secured military bases in the country. they did ridiculous amounts of background checks and even talked with neighbors, friends, and business associates. but their pre employment screen was a mouth swab (saliva) done on site, that only detected about three days back. odd...

funky,

The give the same test for all DOT tests, driver or not?

There is a message board on the net for these drug testers with questions and info...don't remember where it is. I saw it once, someone had put a link here and I didn't bookmark it.

I read some of it and the intersting thing was, the tester has the option in "pass/fail" depending on many things, levels, other OTC drugs, etc.

On this board other testers would ask if they should pass or fail someone and give the details.

yes, i believe all Department Of Transportation pre employment tests are the same (even though my job had nothing to do with the DOT) it is effectively the most thorough pre employment test you can be given. aside from adding the extras that are not usually included such as bupe. i think methadone and klonopin was even included in mine which are rarely tested for even to this day.

Well the thing I remember seeing on that board I mentioned about the DOT tests, was it was NEVER ok for ANYTHING to show up, script or not.

It also tested for alcohol.

Unfortunately, I can't afford that. I suppose if they are using good equipment, they should be able to tell if the person is using actual amphetamine or a derivative of it. Ironically, I do know someone who has smoked marijuana a week before his drug test and passed. Looks like I'll just have to just stop taking ephedra. A month is a long time without searching for work, but I suppose it's better than testing positive for amphetamine. Hopefully my system is clean by then.

You can look up and see how long it takes to get out of your system. It should not take a month, much less. The fact that it speeds up your metabolism will help it get out quicker.

Someone here might now the answer to that anyway.

well

water soluable chemical less than a month unless it was used daily.


fat soluable chemicals: many months detectable due to the storage in the fats in the liver and other fatty tissue around the mid section. long time in other words.

hope this is a little bit of help.

I once was given a urine drug test for a DOT job and I had a legal script for Hydrocodone and tested positive for opiates.
All I had to do was take my bottle to the lab and my employer and there was no problem at all.
I still got my class A CDL and DOT medical certification.
This job was located at an International airport too.

They gave me the job.

I interviewed for a job last week with a airline and it looks like I will get the job. When I go in for the drug test, would it be wise to bring a note from my doctor concerning the Hydro I'm taking?? This will be the first drug test I've taken since I started taking Hydro. Help!

It certainly would not hurt. But I would just keep it in my pocket until someone asks about current prescription medicines. The folks administering the test don't care; it would be your future employer.

Talk to folks giving the test; I bet they know the routine.

Are you taking the drug test AFTER you get the job or before?

Wouldn't want you to jump the gun and bring attention to your medical condition which might make you a less attractive candidate.

I have had to take numerous drug test for jobs.

What I take with me is the form from the pharmacy that has the script number, etc on it or a printout from the pharmacy.

MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT ABOUT IT, that is setting yourself up for a "fail" test and it taking longer to straighten out.

Give it IMMEDIATELY to the person doing the test, they can make a copy and send it to the testing company. That way they will have the info there, will "pass" the test without having to call you and then having to call and check into your prescription, it will go much, much quicker.

Now the thing you have to make sure of is that some jobs do not allow ANYTHING to be in your system and they DO care what is in there, prescribed or not.

As we talked about the DOT test, the drivers can have nothing in their system. If they are having to take pain meds for something they aren't supposed to be driving and if they pop a test on them and it shows up, they are in trouble, script or not.

I can NOT STRESS ENOUGH do not hide the fact that you are taking this med, TELL THE TESTER EVERYTHING or you might not have the job after all.

amphetamine metabolites will be out of your system in 3-5 days. 7 at the most if taken daily for a long period.

Stacy is right here.

From a legal standpoint most (if not all now) drug testing facilities will ask you to fill out what medictions you are on. You must and should if you have a valid prescription answer the questions correctly. If you test for an Opiate or Benzo, etc., and have a valid prescription then you have done NOTHING to invalidate your future employers screening process. In fact the employer under HIPAA Rules will never know you may have failed say an Opiate test if prescribed and your Dr and Pharm can verify the date filled. The only way this could become an issue is if you are in a position where you would be responsible for others lives... Such as a Bus Driver as a simple example.

If you have been honestly taking meds prescribed by a bona fide Dr then this is not an issue. Under law they can not discriminate unless the meds in question will danger others.

urinalysis typically falls under a 5 panel or 10 panel drug screen. The tech collecting the specimen doesn't ask you if you are currently taking anything because once the lab runs an immunoessay on one of the urine viles (sample is separated into two viles before being sealed and initialled by you and the one who collected it)that screens for specific drug classes. If there is a positive test than they will run the second urine sample through a spectrometer that identifies the specific drug metablolite in the urine. If your test comes up positive for Benzo's they will know exactly what you took. You will then recieve a call from a medical practicioner that will ask you if there is a reason you proved positive for "X" drug. If you have a script they will get your Doc's info and/or pharmacy that filled it and if vaild they will give your employer a pass rating. Yor employer won't even know that you are taking whatever drug because of HIPPA laws. I'd try to get a script for whatever you are using even if it's a few pills that way you can cover yourself. Otherwise buy substitute urine that labs use to calibrate their equipment. It's authentic powdered urine all you do is add water and heat between 92 to 100 degrees to mimic human urine temp ranges. I just reseached this a few months back because I needed clearance for a position. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the replies! Of course, honesty is best. Don't want to do anything to cost me a new job!

We use one of those mouth/saliva tests here at my new job. They use them because they are cheap and easy to administer. You stick the cotton/foam thing in your mouth, let it sit for a bit, then they stick it in the device, and within about a minute it has a bunch of red stripes develop for various drug classes. Pass/fail.

If you have any kind of accident/injury/incident, they require you to take the test.

I would also recommend, if you are on a legal script, go ahead and mention it, and be sure to have a copy of the script.

What I don't know about this test, since it is a saliva test, is how long something like THC/Cannabis show up? Actually, for that matter, any drug.

I also think you should just list what medications you are on. I have been on a opiate pain killer before when drug tested and I just listed it on the form and had no problem.

Stacy is right about being honest upfront. I have my Class A CDL. I was off duty and fell, went to the ER and got a shot of Demerol. When I went back to on duty status I was pulled for a random. I fessed up right away. Results came back and was told that the concentration was to strong in my blood and to take 48 hours off. I was also told if I had not told it was in my system I would have been sent to a doctor who checks for narcotic abuse. Looks under finger and toenails, raw sinuses, body weight ETC. It would have been my expense and put on my permanent record.

The Dot only does a panal 5 test. Unless your in an accident, your fault or not, then they do a hair folicle. Someone can run into you and you get tested. A medication from weeks ago could land you in jail. Always tell your employer every drug your on, were on and just get prescribed. The worst they can do is sit you out. If you need meds that bad then stay away from jobs that literally could ruin your life.