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#954330 - 11/03/09 01:14 PM
Re: http://prescribe4u.com/
[Re: crazyeurous]
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Nephro, are you saying the body doesn't have a magnetic field? Hold your two hands really close & spin the around in circular motion. Then pull them apart & back real close & apart. YOU CAN FEEL THE MAGNETIC FORCE just like a magnet. That is conservation of angular momentum, and has nothing to do with magnetism. It is why an ice skater's angular velocity increases when they bring their arms close to their body during a pirouette; conversely if they hold their arms out, their angular velocity will reduce. You can try this with your arms and legs on an office swivel chair. Spin with your arms and legs extended, then suddenly pull them in. You'll be very startled by the increase in angular velocity, and may even be thrown off the chair. But this has nothing to do with magnetism at all. I do this with students and they they think it's really funny to watch. A magnetic field is defined as the path a singular north monopole (which doesn't really exist) would take if placed in any position around a magnet. If we are not a magnet, then we can have no magnetic field. Magnetism can be induced by electric current flowing in a closed circuit. This is how an electromagnet works. Using soft iron as the core, the electromagnet can be turned on and off at will. They are used in scrap yards to lift cars up. Electric current does indeed flow through our nerves, but it is so minute that in reality, if you sprinkled iron filings around someone's body, no pattern at all will be formed. Try sprinkling iron filings around a magnet, however, and a distinctive patten will form. You should have done this at school, using a piece of paper over a magnet. I really do appreciate that you are trying to help, and I'll always look at alternative methods of medicine, but this one just doesn't cut the mustard.
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#954394 - 11/03/09 02:54 PM
Re: http://prescribe4u.com/
[Re: crazyeurous]
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Nephro, are you saying the body doesn't have a magnetic field? Hold your two hands really close & spin the around in circular motion. Then pull them apart & back real close & apart. YOU CAN FEEL THE MAGNETIC FORCE just like a magnet. Please let me know if you don't feel a magnetic field. You need to call 911 if you don't.... The human body does have a very strong magnetic field that is very easy to demonstrate. They are just selling books & vitamins. I was trying to tell people how to clear allergies to meds or other things without having to read on it or having to spend any time or money. I was really trying to help.... LOOK I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR COMING FROM BECAUSE SO MUCH THAT PEOPLE PROMISE TO HELP PEOPLE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN SCAMS OR BS & THEY CHARGE PEOPLE A FORTUNE OR GIVE THEM FALSE HOPE. We only use a small part of our mind & science hasn't been able to prove THAT MUCH. The subconscious mind is truly amazing at it's ability to run & control your autonomic nervous system, your vital organs, immune system, & even your brain. Even main stream science shows that your body has a magnetic field. I know this is off topic, but I just thought I have to chime in since I know some about this subject. First, it is true the human body generates a magnetic field. This is obvious, because the the human body has electrical current. Electrical current will always generate a magnetic field. However, the electromagnetic field produced by the human body is tiny that is basically non-existent. It is so small, that it cannot effect the spin of an electron of hydrogen atom placed millimeters from a human body. And hydrogen atoms and electron spins are the first particles to respond to an electromagnetic field. If there was ANY electromagnetic field produced by the body of any significant proportion, these studies would have seen SOME change in spin and orientation of electrons and hydrogen atoms placed near a human body. But there was no reaction. Even starting a car or sitting near a computer can cause changes in electron spin due to the electomagnetic field produced. But the human does not. Here is a good excerpt from a NASA scientist regarding this subject: As far as I know, the human body is non-magnetic, it rings no bell when you pass an airport gate unless you have left a key ring in your pocket.
The magnetic field in interplanetary space near Earth is 10,000 times weaker than on Earth (and at greater distances from the Sun it gets even weaker). To test instruments measuring such weak fields, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center built a "magnetic facility" of big coils which can cancel the Earth's field in a volume the size of a satellite, or can set it to some definite small value.
The psychic Uri Geller claimed to be able mentally to affect compass needles, so when he came to GSFC, we invited him into the coil, to see how much he could affect the weak field there (weaker than 1/10,000 of the one moving compass needles). He could not make the detector budge. At one point we left the building and drove to a remote office, where everything could be watched on TV. When the cars in the parking lot turned on their starters, THAT created a detectable magnetic disturbance, but anything Uri tried, even shaking hands at the detector, had no effect. So a human being, in the absence of ANY external magentic forces, could not produce ANY evidence of a magnetic field. THe magnetic field surrounding a human body cannot even compare to the mere electromagnetic force of a compass needle moving a few millimeters. This is because electromagnetic field decrease exponentially the farther you get away from their source. And when the source of the electromagnetic field is electrons and ions in a human body, once you are a few nanometers from the source, it is basically gone. So in summary, any alternative medicine based on the electromagnetic fields of the human body is bogus. Because once you get a few nanometers from the ion producing the electromagnetic force, it disappears. Just to keep this one topic: I just tried placing an order with Prescribe4u and they rejected my credit card for some reason. Even though they took it just fine when they were Pharma2u. I was kind of bummed because I wanted to get in on the DHC while it was available. But they have you go through a wierd online verification process that I've never seen before. You have to create an online account through Veripay and Visa to use your card online, creating an account and password and everything. I've NEVER run into this before using my credit card online, even though I've used Veripay and used my credit card online multiple times overseas. And it ended up rejecting my process because my credit card didn't pass their "consumer protection standards" or something like that. Wierd, and kind of sucks. I also have perfect credit.
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#954416 - 11/03/09 03:25 PM
Re: http://prescribe4u.com/
[Re: Dr_Strange_Love]
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The magnetic field will also follow an inverse square law, as a gravitational field does. I find it amusing that some astrologers consider that the gravitational attraction of a planet that appears in the constellation of one's birth sign when one is born (even though the lining up of both planet and Stars is merely coincidental, and viewed from a different angle, would be nowhere near each other) can affect one's entire life. I once worked out that the gravitational attraction of the gynaecologist with respect to the baby would be ten to the power of a stupendously large figure more times than that of the planet, and I wouldn't be surprised if the forceps beat the planet as well. It is the orbit of an electron around the nucleus which generates a magnetic dipole, rather than its intrinsic spin, I think, meaning a magnetised piece of iron, for example, contains electrons orbiting their respective nuclei in the same plane, causing the dipoles to line up with each other. Heating, physically bashing the piece of iron, or sticking it in an AC solenoid causes the electrons to form their 'clouds' again, though I could be wrong on this one, because domain theory is involved as well. I didn't specialise in magnetism, though had the chance to mess around with magnetic fluid. Wonderful stuff.
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#954422 - 11/03/09 03:38 PM
Re: http://prescribe4u.com/
[Re: nephro]
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The magnetic field will also follow an inverse square law, as a gravitational field does. I find it amusing that some astrologers consider that the gravitational attraction of a planet that appears in the constellation of one's birth sign when one is born (even though the lining up of both planet and Stars is merely coincidental, and viewed from a different angle, would be nowhere near each other) can affect one's entire life. I once worked out that the gravitational attraction of the gynaecologist with respect to the baby would be ten to the power of a stupendously large figure more times than that of the planet, and I wouldn't be surprised if the forceps beat the planet as well. It is the orbit of an electron around the nucleus which generates a magnetic dipole, rather than its intrinsic spin, I think, meaning a magnetised piece of iron, for example, contains electrons orbiting their respective nuclei in the same plane, causing the dipoles to line up with each other. Heating, physically bashing the piece of iron, or sticking it in an AC solenoid causes the electrons to form their 'clouds' again, though I could be wrong on this one, because domain theory is involved as well. I didn't specialise in magnetism, though had the chance to mess around with magnetic fluid. Wonderful stuff. Yeah it sounds like you really know your stuff when it comes to magnetic fields and physics. Were/are you a physics student? Anyway, I just remember learning that the electromagnetic field produced by a human brain lacks the strength to alter even electron motion of a material placed millimeters from the brain surface. So basically, the idea that the magnetic field produced by a human body to be used as medicine or other features is bunk. If you went right down the surface of a neuron, and I mean right on the membrane, I'm sure you could theoretically measure an electromagnetic field. But it so tiny that it doens't even effect the molecules that actually make up the membrane itself. It is infintesimally small to the point of non-existance.
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#954490 - 11/03/09 04:54 PM
Re: http://prescribe4u.com/
[Re: Dr_Strange_Love]
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GRAND Pooh-Bah
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Yes, BSc (Hons) Applied Physics (with some Medical Instrumentation), not that it's been as much use as people promised at the time. Employers seem to want physicists with proven experience in specific areas. The best I did was come up with an instrument to measure tremor in Parkinson's Disease.
Anyway, I saw a good demonstration of a man holding what looked like a badminton racquet above his head, which was actually a coil of wire with many turns, connected to a power supply and a foot pedal. When he pressed the pedal, a brief DC pulse of electricity passed through the coil, inducing current to flow in his brain. The result was a somewhat random jerk of his body each time he pressed the pedal. In between these jerks he was explaining about how the brain worked with regard to tiny amounts of electric current, and each time he pressed the pedal it became funnier and funnier, because of how the expression of his face changed, and the fact that he kept on doing it at the end of every sentence, and sometimes in the middle of sentences.
I wish I knew what the name of the device was; there may well be some clips of this sort of thing on YouTube.
He also placed his palm on a metal rod, connected to a switch which would send current through it, and demonstrated how his fingers grabbed it when the current flowed. Eventually he said he had to stop the demonstration because it was "jolly painful", but never stopped grinning throughout.
A typical physicist (except for the fact that all his experiments actually worked).
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#954994 - 11/04/09 10:38 AM
Re: http://prescribe4u.com/
[Re: 3forever]
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Can or will someone please answer my post/question from waaaay above the magnetic discussion? TIA, ~3~ I'm very, very new to this IOP thing.... What is the difference between the DHC and the TEVA codeine they offer at this place? And how does either come close to say the typical hydro 10 here in the states?
If anyone could answer this as I'm a real dummy when it comes to this portion of it, I would greatly appreciate any and all info.
Thanks much in advance!! ~3~ Dihydrocodeine is about as effective as codeine at low doses; it is probably more effective than codeine at higher doses. Unlike codeine, however, DHC has no ceiling effect, so it can be taken at up to 80mg in IR form. DHC is a superior drug for analgesia I would say, and comes in up to 120mg ER form. Nausea and vomiting are possible side-effects for opioid-naive patients. I would estimate that 30mg codeine is about the same as 30mg DHC. Beyond that, DHC starts to take the lead, and theoretically there is no limit on the dose, for example in terminally ill or extremely tolerant patients. DHC is a drug to beware, since the tolerance, addiction potential and withdrawal are probably up there with morphine. Apologies for the Physics interlude! Please do ask for any clarification if my post is not well-written.
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#955472 - 11/04/09 09:17 PM
Re: http://prescribe4u.com/
[Re: jc67]
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The "many articles" to which you refer are either talking bollocks or are just reproducing other articles that they have cribbed the false information from. Enlighten yourself with the BNF - the most respected source of medical information in the world. It states: Dihydrocodeine has an analgesic efficacy similar to that of codeine. Or you may wish to consult a palliative care chart, bearing in mind that this branch of medicine take their analgesia extremely seriously: http://book.pallcare.info/index.php?tid=125where you will see that in normal doses, the two drugs are equal in analgesic effect. I'm assuming your 240-300mg are total daily doses, 60mg four times a day? If doses like these are taken in one go, there Rules go flying out of the window; medicine doesn't have conversion charts for overdoses. Just Googling DHC, as you put it, actually reveals nothing except a list of company names; the occasional medical site gives information for patients who have been prescribed the drug, and does not compare it to codeine at all.
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