Yes, they are equally potent.

Did you tried Sulphate ? thanks.

No, Ive only tried the phosphate

I tried Codeine sulphate by Wilson. The same effect but phosphate is my option. It is more soluble.

Placed my new DHC order today.

Anyone tried DHC from Vogue lately ?

I want to order DHC or Talwin but I'm not sure what's the best for back pain. Thanks for any good advice !

I think Talwin is the right choice...

I have not had any experience with this vendor and I do not know what Talwin is either. I have lower back pain constantly and I have found DHC to work very well. I have only had 30 mg DHC and it has done a very good job at that dosage for me and even if I take 2 over a few hours if the first one does not give me the relief I am looking for I have found it to work very well and it does not make me feel loopy. I have also had good experience with tylenol 3 which I think is 500mg of tylenol and 30 mg of codiene but the tylenol seems to aggravate my stomach. I like that the dhc has no tylenol and it does not bother my stomach in any way.

Hope that helps. Everyone has different experience and reactions with medications though but I have found any type of codeine to work well for my back and knee pain.

That's right. If you order Talwin, just ask for DHC samples. You'll see what's the best for your body.

I'm no expert here, but I've read threads where Nephro had showed something about how dihydrocodeine is basically along the same lines of potency as codeine? Am I wrong here? Call me on it if so. Just thought this might be worth considering if you're considering Talwin versus DHC for your back. I wish you well in finding the best relief you can get.

As for me, I found that a codeine or derivative worked better than Talwin (especially at Vogue's prices) for my knee, though a knee is hardly a back!

Best of luck in your search.

EDIT: Oh yeah... And I do agree, just avoid the APAP containing products if you're looking for management. Your liver is your friend. I won't even get into the motivations behind combining APAP with these other medications. Grr! :P

Thank you ! I'll order Talwin and DHC samples today.

@rollerman As far as I know it, Talwin is quite a potent analgesic. Very often it is combined with naloxone (like subuxone or methadone). As for what it is commonly used for, I've not really heard of its use at all in the States. Others could speak for over the pond.

As of note, what Vogue offers is a smaller dose not containing naloxone. If you're asking about Talwin, I assume perhaps you're also unfamiliar with naloxone, so I'll briefly describe that. It's an opiate antagonist. That means it negates the drugs in the system of the patient, and if they are a chronic user (whether they be a heroin abuser or someone on a pain management schedule) it will send them right into withdrawls. Funny story from a paramedic friend about picking up a fellow who OD'd on heroine and giving him naloxone ... He wasn't a happy camper. But at least he was a living camper.

Hope this is useful, even though it totally has nothing to do with DHC, though it does with Vogue since they sell it. Sorry if I posted too off topic, admins.

You might want to be very careful using Talwin together with other opioids. Forgetting about any combination with naloxone, Talwin is itself a mixed agonist/antagonist. Regular opiate users are warned not to use Talwin in close proximity.
You've probably heard about what happens when Suboxone or Subutex is used before opiate withdrawals have begun.
You're very likely to suffer the same results with Talwin although if taken PO the withdrawals might be somewhat less violent.
Does the web site you're buying this from warn you about these potential negative side effects?

Yes I think he was answering my question about DHC. I think if I remember correctly the consensus is that DHC is about 1.5 times stronger than regular codeine and is a synthetic product. I am not 100% on that though. I know it works well.

I have noticed from past threads and conversations that there are some who like regular codeine (phosphate or sulphate) but do not like dhc and some who like dhc but not regular codeine.

I guess I am lucky that I find relief from both. And I agree that too much APAP is just not good for you plus it really agitates my stomach.

Thank you, I never heard of that product and appreciate the information. Does not sound like a product I would want to consume. I hope the OP is aware of the products possible side effects that you and Martind have pointed out.

Thank you very much, martind, for the clarification. I completely forgot that it itself was a mixed agonist/antagonist. Very good advice if you're currently on a schedule containing opiates.

I'm sure the site says nothing of the sort. There's a generic "take the medicine as indicated" note somewhere, but hardly anything to indicate the potential of something like Talwin. Thanks again for stepping in and clearing up a potentially negative situation!

@rollerman Ah! I see. I've not enough experience to really tell, though both products did help me to recover from my knee injury. I guess perhaps most of note is that it is synthetic, versus something like codeine? And also, I don't think I've ever seen a DHC/APAP product, whereas there are tons of codeine/APAP products. My education continues.

You are both welcome. I just hope Mr. "ultravox" returns to read it before he hits the sudden withdrawal wall.

when taken Orally the naloxone has no effect at all. it is put in there to stop those who inject it.

meant to include my source:

http://www.rxlist.com/talwin-nx-drug.htm

Pentazocine is metabolized in the liver and excreted primarily in the urine. Pentazocine passes into the fetal circulation. Naloxone when administered orally at 0.5 mg has no pharmacologic activity.

Naloxone hydrochloride administered parenterally at the same dose is an effective antagonist to pentazocine and a pure antagonist to narcotic analgesics.

TALWIN Nx is a potent analgesic when administered orally. However, the presence of naloxone in TALWIN Nx will prevent the effect of pentazocine if the product is misused by injection.

just a note, ive been using VogueRX.com now for three months, all three shipments took exactly 10 days and very discreet packaging. xanax is great!!! trying Talwin and it is getting me by until my next Hydro fill. Talwin is great if you run out of hydro.

anyway. very good customer service..very FAST service as well

Yes, they told me that is not good to take them together. I wanted just 2 DHC 120mg pills as samples. The order was for Talwin.

i did alot of research and the naxolene is only active if injected not orally. so it doesnt cause withdrawal if you take talwin Nx. ive been taking it for weeks after taking opids for years...no with drawal..

I placed a new order yesterday. I hope everything will be fine as the last time. Communication is excellent as usual. I found Continous Dihydrocodeine very potent in 90mg and 120mg forms.