It just depends on lots of things Meon, and there is seems to be no logical reasons behind it.

It's like you can call the IRS number 10 times with the exact same question and get 10 different answers.

It's the government and what works today might not work tomorrow and will be fine again next week. A lot of times it is the luck of the draw.

Needs to be more consistent, that is for sure.

Well off to celebrate my bday w/my daughter as dh has to work.

Gee, guess Rochelle isn't gonna give me Heather for my bday like I asked. Oh well, it was worth a try.

Oh, Happy Birthday!

Yeah, they need to really, seriously change things. It's not done and handled the way it should be.

Happy Bithday To You

Happy Birthday meonlyits. Have fun tonight. I got one coming up real soon, but I just dread it. One year older. Blahhh

Happy Birthday, meonlyits. Hope you have a funfilled evening.
Khilee

Meon - nothing is stopping you from doing that now. Donate to your local hospital or charity that provides health care for people without insurance. The point isn't that you would be happy to help, the point is that the government is already swallowing up enough of my income to fund things that I don't agree with.

If there was a check box on the tax form and you could say "Use my tax money to build highways but not to fund arms for other countries", I would feel a lot better about the entire process. I don't know how it is where you are at but I'm in California and we have 10% sales tax plus property tax and state and federal income tax, plus FICA. Businesses are leaving the state. This administration has made such a royal mess of things that I have HALF of the income that I made last year because people are afraid to spend money.

It seems to me that the keys to cleaning up the health insurance problem are very simple: 1. fix the economy (jobs = money and benefits ergo fewer people without insurance) 2. deport illegals (not here legally -> leave and come in the right way and we can process you and you can pay get a regular job with money and benefits) 3. open competition to health insurance companies (more competition = better prices for consumers) and 4. tort reform

Mass. has had public insurance and they are going bankrupt. There is no profit motive in government so the waste factor is always going to be higher. Additionally, do you want the same entity that determines your health benefits to have access to your tax records? If we keep going down this path, at some point it will make sense for a bureaucrat to see that Joe at 50 years old is paying $2000 a year in taxes so he doesn't get the surgery that Marge does because Marge is only 30 and is paying $10,000 a year in taxes.

In the final analysis, however, the economy is truly screwed up and we have young men in Iraq and Afghanistan and we are being threatened by really crazy men in N. Korea, Iran and Venezuela so there are plenty of problems that need attention before health insurance. This is obviously another power/money grab by the Federal government.

And Happy Birthday, Meon

Great debate everybody. But I am still seeing alot of personal attacks on me personally and really not debating properly. If you are going to call me out on incorrect facts, then prove it. And in answer to all those posts about SSD, I specifically said I think the current system is junk and they deny too many people and people should not have to hire a lawyer etc etc. I have stated over and over that I would like to handle all these issues with sweeping insurance and current government program reforms so that those that are uninsured legal residents who cannot afford health insurance can qualify for those programs and those programs actually provide good healthcare. I have repeatedly said that what I do not support is government run healthcare for anybody. If you can afford it (after regulations have been passed) then there is no reason you should get it for free. I like living in a free society with less government interference. But this debate is taking too much of my time up reading through it. It is really hard to debate in a message board setting. And I feel as if no one is actually reading what I am writing. I have addressed all these issues. Let me repeat again, I fully support sweeping legislation to reform medicaid medicare and SSD as to be able to provide good healthcare to those that need it. With this, there would be no one uninsured unless they were illegal aliens or just blatantly refused to apply for any insurance at all. And I believe the cases presented in this thread would be solved too. And at the same time, it would save taxpayers millions of dollars by cutting all the red tape and waste.

Anyway, it was a great debate and I am not leaving because I am mad or feel like I cannot get my point across etc. It is just taking me to much time to read through and answer everybody everyday. I am real busy these days. So I hope no one took anything I said personally and I learned alot and hope everyone else did too. But I am sticking to my point that we should not pass universal healthcare or a public option for anyone. I almost sticking to my belief that there should be sweeping reforms of current government health programs (this also includes the financial aspect of it ie. money reserved for these programs cannot be spent elsewhere).

I just wish there was less politicking, more honest debating, and more cooperation and goodwill with our elected representatives. Can we atleast agree on one point, lets enact term limits and get these career politicians out of there. We do not live in an autocracy!


Have a pain free day and lets all pray that we do get some kind of reform.

I've been screaming term limits for about 10 years now.

Oh. Ok.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MEONLYITS!!!!!

Happy Birthday Meon !!! Did you just turn 21? (I know I DID)...I've been turning 21 so long that one of my kids finally had the "nerve" to say "Hey..Now I'm twice your age!!! The creep..See if I put her in my will!!!

Good point Waterbaby. I have to think about that. Maybe I should do something more concrete than just post stuff on a internet board.

Thanks everyone for the bday wishes. I had a good time w/my daughter and plan on celebrating all weekend w/dinners out.

So no Heather from Rochelle but at least he got rid of stinky face avatar.

I will read through all the new posts on the thread and post something intelligent in the morning, promise.