When politicians tell the truth it is like a Haley's Comet. Here is a Haley's Comet for you.


The Wall Street Journal Nov 10, 2009, page 24 writes that ObamaCare supporter John Cassidy speaks the truth about the health-care legislation. It is a vast new entitlement program that once established will be impossible to rescind.

A Liberal Explains The Political Calculus

The typical argument for ObamaCare is that it will offer better medical care for everyone and cost less to do it, but occasionally a supporter lets the mask slip and reveals the real political motivation. So let's give credit to John Cassidy, part of the left-wing stable at the New Yorker, who wrote last week on its Web site that "it's important to be clear about what the reform amounts to."

Mr. Cassidy is more honest than the politicians whose dishonesty he supports. "The U.S. government is making a costly and open-ended commitment," he writes. "Let's not pretend that it isn't a big deal, or that it will be self-financing, or that it will work out exactly as planned. It won't. What is really unfolding, I suspect, is the scenario that many conservatives feared. The Obama Administration . . . is creating a new entitlement program, which, once established, will be virtually impossible to rescind."

Why are they doing it? Because, according to Mr. Cassidy, ObamaCare serves the twin goals of "making the United States a more equitable country" and furthering the Democrats' "political calculus." In other words, the purpose is to further redistribute income by putting health care further under government control, and in the process making the middle class more dependent on government. As the party of government, Democrats will benefit over the long run.

This explains why Nancy Pelosi is willing to risk the seats of so many Blue Dog Democrats by forcing such an unpopular bill through Congress on a narrow, partisan vote: You have to break a few eggs to make a permanent welfare state. As Mr. Cassidy concludes, "Putting on my amateur historian's cap, I might even claim that some subterfuge is historically necessary to get great reforms enacted."

No wonder many Americans are upset. They know they are being lied to about ObamaCare, and they know they are going to be stuck with the bill.

Well if this healthcare goes through, Pelosi, Reid will get the
following treatment :

There is no doubt that this is about control. It is criminal that they are doing this during the highest unemployment in a generation.

That's a blast from the past !
Good ole Dan, Chairman of the "Powerfull House Ways & Means Committee" and one of the most powerfull people in Washington.

I recall the House hearings on TV where he promised to help Hillary get her healthcare bill passed.

Next thing you know, Dan is in Federal Prison for stealing the china and furniture out of his office and having a few relatives on the payroll who never showed up.

Saw him interviewed a while back while walking down the street alone. No crowds.
Out of the joint now, but not to worry. He is still recieving his full pension and was recieving it while in prison.


Great example of Democracy in action in that clip.
All politians should get that treatment everyday and very soon may.

I don't know why everyone is so worried about insurance. When the economy tanks, and it will, no one will be able to afford health care, no matter what it costs.

Also, I've been hearing that those who have invested in gold to protect themselves when the $ crashes, may not be as secure as they think. It was said that the government COULD dump the stash of gold they have onto the market, making it's value drop as fast as your granny's drawers on a Saturday night.

We should be stocking up on everyday items that people will need. Things like soap, toilet paper, can goods etc... Things you can trade for things you need. That's what it's gonna come to if the dollar tanks and is no more.

It's just a thought. You can take it or leave it. I believe it would be something to think about. It's gonna happen. Just a matter of when. We can't keep spending and borrowing forever.

Actually Po, we may have a depression but we can keep spending and borrowing foroever, that is, as long as we innovate and have a growing economy. With those things, all is possible.

Do you think Obama would dump gold and destroy the economy? That would suck.

Po , I wouldn't worry about it that much. We are all going to kill ourselves first.

You woun't have to worry about can goods or trading any thing , know one well be left , to trade it to.

Po , You got to chill. This economy has been coming on scene I have been born.

I could say its all Bush's fault. But really , I don't think its any one political parties administration. Its just taken us a long time to get here.

Put away all thous books and the crazy links. If things really are going to get that bad , you well wish you had enjoyed life , will you had the chance.

Peace&lLove ( Remember that , LOL , doesn't mean any thing here , to many haters )
C

How can we hope for a growing economy with so many corporations leaving the country. Not to mention the jobs lost because of it. It's got to end somewhere.

Will Obama dump the gold? I don't know, but with the way things are going in this country, who knows? I don't put anything past our government anymore.

Hey Chuckee

We're going thru hard times now, but I think it's gonna get worse. I'm doing the best I can to enjoy life, but with the huge hit this economy is taking on my finances and my mom's health problems, there's not much I can enjoy right now.

It might be a little early to say the sky is falling, but I believe it's coming. I don't see how it can be avoided. Sure, we can delay it like we've been doing for a long time, but it can't keep going like this forever.

BTW, I don't put the blame on Obama, Bush or any party. The Federal Reserve started this mess.

Unemployment is rising and the economy is falling.

Unless we see some job growth; I am afraid as well. I believe if they wanted to create job growth they could. It's not rocket science.

I am so disgusted with this administration and our elected officials.

One other thing Chuckee, and please don't take this the wrong way. You call some of the books and links I look into, as crazy. Have you ever really looked into the claimes of some of these web sites, books and DVD's, or just lable them as crazy because it's not mainstream information? If you look into some of these independant investigations and see what they're saying and investigate the things they are telling you, it might not seem so crazy. I'm NOT saying that I believe everything I see or hear, but there's tons of information we're not getting from the media. There's a lot there that I think needs to be looked into and questions that deserve answers.

I get called crazy for having an interest in learning ALL of the facts. I think that those who just take what the media says as gospel, are cheating themselves out of what could be important info. Thinking out of the box is not a sin.

Have a great day Chuckee.

There are many outlets of unconventional thought out there. From the Nation mag to the National Review. Commentary to Pravda. Paranormal, Conspiracy, Racist, Leftist, jihadist, you name it. I try to give Po and others a pass on this stuff since it isn't my job to police the site, it appears to be a lady from Alabama's job now.

Enlighten me please Old. Who is this "lady from Alabama" policing this forum? I have a very good idea who you are referring too.

Besides, what's to police? It's just different ideas. We all have them, although some are not tolerated around here too much. Heaven forbid anyone steps out of that box. LOL

Nothing wrong with thinking out of the box. However, there have been those of us who have looked into a few of your independent investigations and found them to spring from anti-semitic documents, for instance.
And an idea presented on the internet and reposted does not necessarily fall under "learning ALL of the facts."

That said, no one is stopping you from posting - but if we express our opinion as well, that goes with the territory.

Well put

I am not talking about people's opinion. Talking about bullying and trying to ostrcize people.

Well, I guess we all see what we want to in what I post about. I don't see it as anti-semitic, racist, black, white, whatever. My concern is what is being said about what the plans are for this country, not who wrote it. Those involved are from all religions, race and the rest. That's not the issue. What they say is, in my opinion.

No one can stop me from posting as long as I feel like it. I don't mind other opinions. That's what this forum is about. However, I do mind being called names by those who can't tolerate opinons other than their own. Everyone here deserves a little respect, no matter what their views are.

That said, have a nice evening.

That seems to be all we have around here.

PoPo.
Nice to see you.

Crimson tide and I thought it was the Columbia tigers or Berkeley bears.
My bad.

Nice to see you too, but PLEASE stop the bowing little guy. Let's not start that over again. LOL

Gotcha. Wasn't thinking of that. That is funny!! Thx.

How clever, or no, that's not the right word--lemme think--Passive aggressive, maybe? Wimpy? Gossipy? Little girlish? I'll let you know when I come up with it.

I'll check my Stitsonary for a Norm Crosbyism.

I HAVE TO SAY WITH A FAMILY MEMBER BEING A DOCTOR AND HIS EXPLANATION OF REFORM. YES WE ALL NEED REFORM AND I THINK EVERY AMERICAN UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT HAVING THIS FORCED DOWN OUR THROAT IS THE WRONG THING TO DO . THINK OF THE H1N1. THE GOVERNMENT CANT CONTROL OR MAKE THAT PROGRAM WORK PROPERLY. HOW IN THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO RUN HEALTHCARE IN THIS COUNTRY. I AM SO SICK OF THE ADMINISTRATIONS VIEW OF SPREADING THE WEALTH. I AM ACTUALLY SICK OF THAT. HOW ABOUT SOME TORTE REFORM AND PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO PURCHASE INSURANCE ACROSS STATE LINES. THIS ADMINISTRATION AND MOST OF CONGRESS IS WORSE THAN THE JIMMY CARTER DAYS. I WAS JUST BORN DURING THAT TIME BUT MAJORED IN HISTORY. I CANT UNDERSTAND WHY THIS GOVERNMENT FEELS LIKE SO MANY ENTITLEMENTS ARE GOING TO HELP ANYTHING. NOT ONE THING THEY DO OR BUILD INCLUDING WARSHIPS COMES WITHIN BUDGET. HOW DO WE THINK THEY ARE GOING TO DO HEALTHCARE AND STAY WITHIN THEIR MEANS. THEY ARENT. WE HAVE TO FACE THAT AND STAND UP FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE. 12 TRILLION DOLLARS PEOPLE AND COUNTING. MAYBE THEY SHOULD WATCH THEIR SPENDING. OBAMAS APPROVAL RATING IS BELOW 50 PERCENT NOW. WONDER WHY THAT IS?

Jesus, turn off the cap lock. Posting in all caps is about the rudest thing anyone can do on the Interwebs, and it's impossible to read.